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MrRikboo
post Sat, 18 Jun 2022 - 10:08
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Hi all

Probably eating my time here but having read a few old posts regarding it I thought it might be worth a try.
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Any reasonable expectation of being able to argue this anyone.

Looks quite straightforward to me. I woudl have said the light changed suddenly and I was stuck behind the van and couldn’t see. But as it’s Newham I think there is probably zero chance.


I thought maybe I could say the light changed suddenly or soemthing. Clutching at straws here
Thanks for looking

Sorry. It’s Newham council the box junction at barking road and oak crescent. Although oak crescent is actually up the road

Photo of letter added. I chopped it to resize it but it has all the Info
Ps thanks to the guy who posted my video

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QUOTE (astralite @ Fri, 9 Sep 2022 - 20:07) *
Very well done. I’m delighted that you and dannydan have won your appeals. I look forward to reading the Adjudicator’s decisions and putting the case numbers on here for future reference. Do what you can to make sure as many people as possible know as more might be encouraged to appeal. And possibly come to PepiPoo straightaway if they get a PCN. If you can get the local press to run a story it might help.

The council will no doubt continue to issue PCNs as so many people just pay but in the short term your success might cause them to think about what location info they put on them. And there is also, in respect of the actual box junction in question, the additional argument that at Adjudication its been found that it is not a valid box junction.

It takes a lot to get any Council to change their approach. Currently this can be seen very clearly on the London bus lane saga...

+1. Take no prisoners. Annihilate The Chancers' Club. I would write to your MP etc and Lord Blackadder.

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Outcome: https://bit.ly/3qvz0ex


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Key point:

'.....In light of the nature of the contention I have also referred myself to the Master Street Atlas of London.
The Penalty Charge Notice alleges that a contravention occurred at the location stated as 'Barking Rd/Opp Oak Crescent.'
The Appellant's representative challenged the location as stated on the Penalty Charge Notice as not that at which the said vehicle is captured in the contemporaneous footage.
The Enforcement Authority indicate that the the location as stated on the Penalty Charge Notice is that of 'the closest junction off Barking Road to the box junction;' it is evident therefore that the location stated on the Penalty Charge Notice is not that of the box junction itself.
Accordingly, evidentially I cannot find that the contravention as alleged in the Penalty Charge Notice occurred, therefore I allow this Appeal.'
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post Sat, 10 Sep 2022 - 12:35
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Well done. But they will still continue to enforce which begs the question: "What are we going to do about all these "Chancers"?


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People, we can be kind True love is hard to find. When we fill our lives with emptiness This does not create true happiness. As this is the Dance of Life.

Animals, we kill to eat For many, it’s just a treat. When we fill our lives with arrogance We create a huge imbalance. As this is the Dance of Life.

Our Earth is our Heavenly home God-given to freely roam. When we fill our lives with arrogance We create a huge imbalance As this is the Dance of Life.

One day, we will all be judged This simple truth cannot be fudged. When we carry on so blindly We do not act all so kindly. As this is the Dance of Life.

As Above, and so Below A simple truth to help us grow. When we put aside our egotism We will really find altruism. As this is the Dance of Life.

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QUOTE (Schofeldt @ Sat, 10 Sep 2022 - 13:35) *
Well done. But they will still continue to enforce which begs the question: "What are we going to do about all these "Chancers"?


Thats a keeper, if the authority asserts that oak crescent is the nearest junction to the box, then by default they must no believe that the box is at a junction, so what is it there for


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post Sat, 10 Sep 2022 - 17:11
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Well done to MrRikboo for sticking to his guns and ultimately prevailing with the aid of cp8759.

In the Council evidence pack uploaded to the Tribunal website is there a copy of the Traffic Order for the yellow box? If so, please post it up on here.

I've been wondering about the red route. The stretch of carriageway that contains the yellow box is also marked with double red kerb lines and red route signs on posts on the pavement.

So this stretch of Barking Road appears to be within the jurisdiction of TFL. Does that mean that TFL is also the enforcement authority for the yellow box? And does it mean that Newham have/had no authority to position the box where it is?
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QUOTE (Enceladus @ Sat, 10 Sep 2022 - 18:11) *
Well done to MrRikboo for sticking to his guns and ultimately prevailing with the aid of cp8759.

In the Council evidence pack uploaded to the Tribunal website is there a copy of the Traffic Order for the yellow box? If so, please post it up on here.

I've been wondering about the red route. The stretch of carriageway that contains the yellow box is also marked with double red kerb lines and red route signs on posts on the pavement.

So this stretch of Barking Road appears to be within the jurisdiction of TFL. Does that mean that TFL is also the enforcement authority for the yellow box? And does it mean that Newham have/had no authority to position the box where it is?

As it's s36 I don't think it needs a TMO ---- but some have them anyway.

If TfL jurisdiction Newham could still enforce by agreement but could be called upon to show such.


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MrRikboo
post Thu, 22 Sep 2022 - 20:54
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Sat, 10 Sep 2022 - 18:26) *
QUOTE (Enceladus @ Sat, 10 Sep 2022 - 18:11) *
Well done to MrRikboo for sticking to his guns and ultimately prevailing with the aid of cp8759.

In the Council evidence pack uploaded to the Tribunal website is there a copy of the Traffic Order for the yellow box? If so, please post it up on here.

I've been wondering about the red route. The stretch of carriageway that contains the yellow box is also marked with double red kerb lines and red route signs on posts on the pavement.

So this stretch of Barking Road appears to be within the jurisdiction of TFL. Does that mean that TFL is also the enforcement authority for the yellow box? And does it mean that Newham have/had no authority to position the box where it is?

As it's s36 I don't think it needs a TMO ---- but some have them anyway.

If TfL jurisdiction Newham could still enforce by agreement but could be called upon to show such.



I have written to the local paper today with a hope I can get them to place some interest regarding this camera. The likes of normal people would be up i. Court on serious fraud charges if we had managed to take 300k off of unsuspecting people by sending them invoices with threats to take them to court if they don’t pay. I’ll be pointing the reporter here if he calls me back

Hopefully he will write an article and the council will have to do something. I might even try writing to one of the well known. Tabloids. They like this sort of this. Determined to try and kick up a stink about this.
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post Fri, 23 Sep 2022 - 03:39
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People, we come and go Memories, they ebb and flow. When we fill our lives with emptiness This does not create true happiness. As this is the Dance of Life.

People, we can be kind True love is hard to find. When we fill our lives with emptiness This does not create true happiness. As this is the Dance of Life.

Animals, we kill to eat For many, it’s just a treat. When we fill our lives with arrogance We create a huge imbalance. As this is the Dance of Life.

Our Earth is our Heavenly home God-given to freely roam. When we fill our lives with arrogance We create a huge imbalance As this is the Dance of Life.

One day, we will all be judged This simple truth cannot be fudged. When we carry on so blindly We do not act all so kindly. As this is the Dance of Life.

As Above, and so Below A simple truth to help us grow. When we put aside our egotism We will really find altruism. As this is the Dance of Life.

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post Sat, 24 Sep 2022 - 23:54
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QUOTE (MrRikboo @ Thu, 22 Sep 2022 - 21:54) *
Hopefully he will write an article and the council will have to do something. I might even try writing to one of the well known. Tabloids. They like this sort of this. Determined to try and kick up a stink about this.

Good, as it happens we have another one in the pipeline: http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=146006


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