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HURDLING
post Sat, 25 May 2019 - 13:57
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How do mobile speed vans capture evidence of mobile phone usage, is there special equipment and do all forces use the vans for this offence? I notice that most people use their phones down by their lap some can text without even looking at the screen. It is not evident by looking at them via the windows and won't be captured on video like someone with it to their ear or holding up by the steering wheel.
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I think the ‘special equipment’ is a pair of eyes but I am sure others will be able to clarify.
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post Sat, 25 May 2019 - 15:03
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I'm not even sure that mobile camera vans do look for mobile phone offences.
Though if someone is caught on camera and it is spotted, no reason why the video could not be used as evidence AFAIK.
There is (allegedly) equipment that will detect mobile phone use...we seen signs that supposedly do that.
But whether any camera vans are hooked up with the kit, dunno.

Having said that, last year I was in Runcorn area on a dual carriageway and saw big signs "Zero Tolerance for Mobile Phone Use while Driving" (or summat like that. Came into a 30 limit, sharpish bend and roundabout...so naturally slowing.
As I cleared the bend, there was a camera van.... my speed was about 25 (I looked) but with no especial care, just driving to the road really.
It seemed like a strange place for a speed trap so I did wonder if the sign and camera van were connected ?
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post Sat, 25 May 2019 - 18:40
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Sat, 25 May 2019 - 16:03) *
There is (allegedly) equipment that will detect mobile phone use...we seen signs that supposedly do that.
But whether any camera vans are hooked up with the kit, dunno.


As far as I can make out from the sensationalist press, it detects bluetooth signals, so would never detect people texting in their lap, or holding the 'phone to their ear, but would detect perfectly legal connections for music streaming, handsfree calling etc...
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post Sat, 25 May 2019 - 20:33
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If a speed camera van identifies a driver on his phone, with no seatbelt etc... they just use the video as evidence, my local force even tweets the (suitably redacted) videos.


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post Sun, 26 May 2019 - 05:49
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QUOTE (facade @ Sat, 25 May 2019 - 19:40) *
QUOTE (DancingDad @ Sat, 25 May 2019 - 16:03) *
There is (allegedly) equipment that will detect mobile phone use...we seen signs that supposedly do that.
But whether any camera vans are hooked up with the kit, dunno.


As far as I can make out from the sensationalist press, it detects bluetooth signals, so would never detect people texting in their lap, or holding the 'phone to their ear, but would detect perfectly legal connections for music streaming, handsfree calling etc...

Any form of phone detection would be useless as it cannot distinguish between a phone being used illegally handheld by the driver & a phone legally used in a cradle or by a passenger.


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post Sun, 26 May 2019 - 10:13
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what equipment do mobile speed vans have are there cameras that have heat or infrared that can show people using mobile phones that are hidden down by their side or lap? I see loads of motorists texting like this and mobile speed vans say they enforce mobile and seat belt offences but can they actually pick up a person texting by their side?

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post Sun, 26 May 2019 - 10:16
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post Sun, 26 May 2019 - 10:23
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You already have a thread on this in the Flame Pit...

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=128058
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post Sun, 26 May 2019 - 10:26
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QUOTE (HURDLING @ Sun, 26 May 2019 - 10:13) *
what equipment do mobile speed vans have are there cameras that have heat or infrared that can show people using mobile phones that are hidden down by their side or lap


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I see loads of motorists texting like this and mobile speed vans say they enforce mobile and seat belt offences but can they actually pick up a person texting by their side?


If they see mobile or seat belt offences being committed, then they can take action, if you see them, then so can they. Some forces are now using the tractor units from articulated lorries so that they get a better view.



QUOTE (BaggieBoy @ Sun, 26 May 2019 - 10:23) *
You already have a thread on this in the Flame Pit... http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=128058


Which is where it should be if it is not an active case.



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post Sun, 26 May 2019 - 13:28
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QUOTE (nigelbb @ Sun, 26 May 2019 - 06:49) *
Any form of phone detection would be useless as it cannot distinguish between a phone being used illegally handheld by the driver & a phone legally used in a cradle or by a passenger.



I wonder if it is the 21st century version of the TV Detector van, and people are supposed to believe that they can detect 'phone use, and stop it wink.gif
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post Sun, 26 May 2019 - 14:42
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QUOTE (HURDLING @ Sun, 26 May 2019 - 11:13) *
what equipment do mobile speed vans have are there cameras that have heat or infrared that can show people using mobile phones that are hidden down by their side or lap? I see loads of motorists texting like this and mobile speed vans say they enforce mobile and seat belt offences but can they actually pick up a person texting by their side?

From my observation there are plenty of idiots like David Beckham blatantly using their phones just waiting to be photographed whether by camera vans or passers by.

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Damning OFT advice on levels of parking charges that was ignored by the BPA Ltd Reference Request Number: IAT/FOIA/135010 – 12 October 2012
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post Sun, 26 May 2019 - 15:49
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QUOTE (facade @ Sun, 26 May 2019 - 14:28) *
QUOTE (nigelbb @ Sun, 26 May 2019 - 06:49) *
Any form of phone detection would be useless as it cannot distinguish between a phone being used illegally handheld by the driver & a phone legally used in a cradle or by a passenger.



I wonder if it is the 21st century version of the TV Detector van, and people are supposed to believe that they can detect 'phone use, and stop it wink.gif


We had that sort of discussion in a recent thread on light up signs that display when they detect a mobile.
I tend towards the view that they are a bit like the "detector vans in your area" billboards that would appear and generate an uplift in licences being taken out.
But there is also no question that the technology exists that can tell if a phone is in use nearby and no reason why it could not be relatively directional... so would only pick up phones in front of the kit.
End of the day, a phone in use is a radio transmitter on known frequencies, detecting those frequencies isn't rocket science.
Gaining enough evidence to prosecute is a different matter.... passenger using one, handsfree use etc etc.

Sticking detector kit into a camera van which pings approaching vehicles when a phone in use and puts a marker on the video for visual check isn't beyond imagination.
Not a clue if it is done.
Would not be surprised if it is or if we started to see the results in the forums.
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post Sun, 26 May 2019 - 16:25
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Sun, 26 May 2019 - 16:49) *
Sticking detector kit into a camera van which pings approaching vehicles when a phone in use and puts a marker on the video for visual check isn't beyond imagination.
Not a clue if it is done.
Would not be surprised if it is or if we started to see the results in the forums.

I don't understand any of these suggestions.

Bloke sits in camera van with, sees mobile phone offence through, notes vehicle details and hits "save video" button (or whatever the procedure is). At the end of the shift, all speeding and mobile phone offences are sent to central ticket for processing. Why on earth anybody thinks that any advanced technological solution is needed is beyond me. For speed offences, there are requirements around type approval etc as a vehicle's speed will not be immediately apparent from a video. If you have a video of someone speaking on a hand-held mobile phone while driving, the video will usually be cut and dry with little scope for debate. Even members of the public often report people for using their mobile phones, this footage is often captures on mobile phones, dashcams etc, no need for "mobile phone detecting equipment".


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post Sun, 26 May 2019 - 21:23
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So how would they detect the difference between a mobile phone and a dictation machine?
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My dictation device is both bluetooth and 5G. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE (Korting @ Sun, 26 May 2019 - 22:23) *
So how would they detect the difference between a mobile phone and a dictation machine?


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