NCP - false photographs submitted to POPLA |
NCP - false photographs submitted to POPLA |
Wed, 19 Sep 2018 - 13:03
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Member Group: Members Posts: 22 Joined: 19 Sep 2018 Member No.: 99,960 |
Afternoon all...
A little background on my current predicament, I received a PCN at my works car park (railway car park, no public access, permits required). I broke down in the way to work, car got recovered, took wife's car to work....forgot permit, PCN attached to screen. Obviously NCP rejected my appeal, even though they've not lost anything, it's not a public car park, has no ticket machine etc. Off I went to Popla. Explained my circumstances and informed them that the car park has no signage whatsoever anywhere. NCP has responded with "NCP Ltd Operator Case Summary The motorist has appealed on the basis that they hold a valid permit for this car park, they claim on the date of event their car broke down on the way to work and they had to use their wife’s car instead. The appellant has provided a copy of the permit and would like the PCN to be cancelled. We note the appellant’s comments and sympathise with their situation, however the vehicle the appellant has provided a copy of the permit for is not the vehicle parked on the date of event. When the parking attendant checked the vehicle there was no permit displayed and therefore the PCN was correctly issued. Paragraph 5 of National Car Parks Terms and Conditions clearly state it is important to the effective management of the Car Park: a) you comply with all signs in the car park, including these Terms and Conditions board. b) Park within the limits of a bay. c) You do not park within a bay designated for a specific purpose when you are not entitled to do so (for example, and without limitation parking in a space designated for disabled persons without an appropriate disability badge displayed, and / or parking in a space for electric vehicles when you are not using the charging facility Paragraph 8 Traffic Orders and Bylaws states in section b) If the Car Park does not have barriers (at entry and exit), you must clearly display your permit valid for the Car park in the windscreen of your vehicle. It is the responsibility of every motorist to observe and comply with the Terms and Conditions our facilities are provided and managed under and by leaving the vehicle the appellant indicated their acceptance of our displayed conditions and equally accepted that a PCN would be issued for non compliance of the displayed conditions. To conclude the PCN has been issued correctly for a clear breach of the displayed conditions and NCP have submitted sufficient evidence to support the enforcement of the Notice. POPLA state decisions will be based on finding of fact; the facts are that the appellant parked in clear breach of our displayed Terms" However....when I reviewed the photographic evidence, the devious So and So's have gone and taken photographs of signage at a different car park and attempted to pass them off as the car park I was parked in. Surely this I heading towards fraudulent misrepresentation? Just wondering where to go from here. This post has been edited by HSS: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 - 13:09 |
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Wed, 19 Sep 2018 - 13:19
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,510 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
However....when I reviewed the photographic evidence, the devious So and So's have gone and taken photographs of signage at a different car park and attempted to pass them off as the car park I was parked in. Surely this I heading towards fraudulent misrepresentation? Just wondering where to go from here. The POPLA decision is not binding on you. I would put them under warning of this behaviour that if they raised a court claim you would seek costs for unreasonable behaviour. They are not particularly litigious and if they have 'forged' evidence then they'll only get themselves in deep doo doo. Ensure you have the correct pictures yourself. EDIT: This is still at POPLA? You can rebut their submission... This post has been edited by Jlc: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 - 13:33 -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Wed, 19 Sep 2018 - 13:23
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Member Group: Members Posts: 22 Joined: 19 Sep 2018 Member No.: 99,960 |
Yes it's still at POPLA. I have photogrpahic and video evidence of the car park I used
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Wed, 19 Sep 2018 - 13:27
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Member Group: Members Posts: 9,985 Joined: 20 Aug 2008 Member No.: 21,992 |
Send it in as a rebuttal of their 'evidence'. Rebut everything in their evidence pack.
-------------------- Sometimes I use big words I don't understand in an effort to make myself sound more photosynthesis.
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Wed, 19 Sep 2018 - 13:37
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,126 Joined: 31 Jan 2018 Member No.: 96,238 |
Best of luck
On several occasions I've informed the assessor that the parking company had sent photos of a completely different car park, including a different name on the entrance sign I've also drawn attention to fake signatures on witness statements or pictures that weren't taken at the time that was claimed A couple of times he/she has found an inventive reason to accept the appeal but I've never seen an assessment that accepted a "wrong photos" rebuttal |
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Wed, 19 Sep 2018 - 15:15
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
My daughters appeal (POPLA mkI) was accepted on the basis they hadn’t proven the signage was as claimed.
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