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Posted by: sexyshark Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 05:38
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I got pulled up by the police on Saturday afternoon for driving down a no access road, now awaiting my punishment through the post. Any idea on what I will receive and is there a course available to avoid points

Posted by: paulajayne Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 06:30
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Depends upon what the charge is and how dangerous the move was.

Posted by: sexyshark Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 06:41
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QUOTE (paulajayne @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 07:30) *
Depends upon what the charge is and how dangerous the move was.



the exact offence is "contravene prohibition driving" not speeding and wasn't dangerous

Posted by: The Rookie Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 08:48
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A number of offences could be charged, you'll just have to wait and see.

Posted by: Logician Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 11:16
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If you went past a No Entry sign that is an endorsable offence, but it sounds as though it was not that but the sort of road that has a notice like "No access except to authorised vehicles" in which case it is likely to be a fine only.

Posted by: sexyshark Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 11:22
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QUOTE (Logician @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 12:16) *
If you went past a No Entry sign that is an endorsable offence, but it sounds as though it was not that but the sort of road that has a notice like "No access except to authorised vehicles" in which case it is likely to be a fine only.



yes it was a no vehicles unless for access only sign so no points then which is a relief many thanks

Posted by: Colin_S Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 13:20
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I often drive past a similar sign https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4801057,0.0530592,3a,47.9y,208.73h,93.38t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWgO4omaHJkhmoX4efFP15A!2e0!5s20170701T000000!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1 as a cut through. The sign says "except for access" but does not say to what. I use the road to access the main road at the other end of it. Unless the sign clearly states what the road is to be used to access I cannot see how it is enforcable.

Posted by: TonyS Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 13:48
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"I use the road to access the main road at the other end of it. "
I can't see that holding water unless there is no other way to reach the main road from your starting point.

Posted by: sexyshark Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 14:36
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QUOTE (Colin_S @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 14:20) *
I often drive past a similar sign https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4801057,0.0530592,3a,47.9y,208.73h,93.38t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWgO4omaHJkhmoX4efFP15A!2e0!5s20170701T000000!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1 as a cut through. The sign says "except for access" but does not say to what. I use the road to access the main road at the other end of it. Unless the sign clearly states what the road is to be used to access I cannot see how it is enforcable.



tried that didn't work biggrin.gif

Posted by: peterguk Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 14:52
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QUOTE (sexyshark @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 15:36) *
QUOTE (Colin_S @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 14:20) *
I often drive past a similar sign https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4801057,0.0530592,3a,47.9y,208.73h,93.38t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWgO4omaHJkhmoX4efFP15A!2e0!5s20170701T000000!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1 as a cut through. The sign says "except for access" but does not say to what. I use the road to access the main road at the other end of it. Unless the sign clearly states what the road is to be used to access I cannot see how it is enforcable.



tried that didn't work biggrin.gif


Why would it not be enforceable if it is an approved sign?

Posted by: cp8759 Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 15:54
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QUOTE (Colin_S @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 14:20) *
I often drive past a similar sign https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4801057,0.0530592,3a,47.9y,208.73h,93.38t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWgO4omaHJkhmoX4efFP15A!2e0!5s20170701T000000!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1 as a cut through. The sign says "except for access" but does not say to what. I use the road to access the main road at the other end of it. Unless the sign clearly states what the road is to be used to access I cannot see how it is enforcable.

I believe "for access" means for access to, or loading / unload / alighting to or from, premises on that road. Otherwise the sign would be meaningless.

Posted by: Ocelot Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 18:47
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QUOTE (sexyshark @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 12:22) *
QUOTE (Logician @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 12:16) *
If you went past a No Entry sign that is an endorsable offence, but it sounds as though it was not that but the sort of road that has a notice like "No access except to authorised vehicles" in which case it is likely to be a fine only.



yes it was a no vehicles unless for access only sign so no points then which is a relief many thanks


That happened to me about 10 years ago. No points and £30 charge, which has probably increased since then.

Posted by: baroudeur Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 13:56
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QUOTE (sexyshark @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 12:22) *
QUOTE (Logician @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 12:16) *
If you went past a No Entry sign that is an endorsable offence, but it sounds as though it was not that but the sort of road that has a notice like "No access except to authorised vehicles" in which case it is likely to be a fine only.



yes it was a no vehicles unless for access only sign so no points then which is a relief many thanks


Failing to conform to a traffic sign £100 and 3 points (TS50)

Posted by: Logician Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 17:28
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QUOTE (baroudeur @ Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 14:56) *
QUOTE (sexyshark @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 12:22) *
QUOTE (Logician @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 12:16) *
If you went past a No Entry sign that is an endorsable offence, but it sounds as though it was not that but the sort of road that has a notice like "No access except to authorised vehicles" in which case it is likely to be a fine only.
yes it was a no vehicles unless for access only sign so no points then which is a relief many thanks
Failing to conform to a traffic sign £100 and 3 points (TS50)


No, the offence is endorsable in respect of some signs, but not others, see RTOA 1988 Sch 2 Part 1. To find out which you have to go to Regulations made under RTA 1988 s.36


Posted by: southpaw82 Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 18:09
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QUOTE (Logician @ Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 18:28) *
To find out which you have to go to Regulations made under RTA 1988 s.36

They’re set out in the TSRGD. IIRC, they forgot to apply s 36 to the no entry sign.

Posted by: Ocelot Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 18:57
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QUOTE (baroudeur @ Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 14:56) *
QUOTE (sexyshark @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 12:22) *
QUOTE (Logician @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 12:16) *
If you went past a No Entry sign that is an endorsable offence, but it sounds as though it was not that but the sort of road that has a notice like "No access except to authorised vehicles" in which case it is likely to be a fine only.



yes it was a no vehicles unless for access only sign so no points then which is a relief many thanks


Failing to conform to a traffic sign £100 and 3 points (TS50)


I don't think that applies to no left turn or right turn or for access only, or at least it didn't (nearer to) 15 years ago.

Posted by: Logician Wed, 6 Jun 2018 - 00:36
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 19:09) *
QUOTE (Logician @ Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 18:28) *
To find out which you have to go to Regulations made under RTA 1988 s.36
They’re set out in the TSRGD. IIRC, they forgot to apply s 36 to the no entry sign.


Indeed, but that was corrected along with other errors http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2017/1086/pdfs/uksiem_20171086_en.pdf para 7.2

Posted by: baroudeur Wed, 6 Jun 2018 - 11:47
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QUOTE (Logician @ Wed, 6 Jun 2018 - 01:36) *
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 19:09) *
QUOTE (Logician @ Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 18:28) *
To find out which you have to go to Regulations made under RTA 1988 s.36
They’re set out in the TSRGD. IIRC, they forgot to apply s 36 to the no entry sign.


Indeed, but that was corrected along with other errors http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2017/1086/pdfs/uksiem_20171086_en.pdf para 7.2


So, is failing to conform to a 'No Entry' or 'No Vehicles' sign endorsable....or not? According to various websites it is.

It would be interesting to know exactly how the OP ended up getting caught presumably he was followed along the whole length of road.

Posted by: sexyshark Wed, 6 Jun 2018 - 12:20
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QUOTE (baroudeur @ Wed, 6 Jun 2018 - 12:47) *
QUOTE (Logician @ Wed, 6 Jun 2018 - 01:36) *
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 19:09) *
QUOTE (Logician @ Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 18:28) *
To find out which you have to go to Regulations made under RTA 1988 s.36
They’re set out in the TSRGD. IIRC, they forgot to apply s 36 to the no entry sign.


Indeed, but that was corrected along with other errors http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2017/1086/pdfs/uksiem_20171086_en.pdf para 7.2


So, is failing to conform to a 'No Entry' or 'No Vehicles' sign endorsable....or not? According to various websites it is.

It would be interesting to know exactly how the OP ended up getting caught presumably he was followed along the whole length of road.


I have been followed by a policecar in the past from start to finish and not been pulled but on this occasion there was a police car set up in the 1st road and the police van set up at the other end and that is where they stopped me

Posted by: southpaw82 Wed, 6 Jun 2018 - 13:14
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The no vehicles sign is not prescribed for the purposes of s 36.

Posted by: PASTMYBEST Thu, 7 Jun 2018 - 09:02
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 19:09) *
QUOTE (Logician @ Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 18:28) *
To find out which you have to go to Regulations made under RTA 1988 s.36

They’re set out in the TSRGD. IIRC, they forgot to apply s 36 to the no entry sign.


corrected in December last year no entry is now s36 again

Posted by: southpaw82 Thu, 7 Jun 2018 - 09:03
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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Thu, 7 Jun 2018 - 10:02) *
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 19:09) *
QUOTE (Logician @ Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 18:28) *
To find out which you have to go to Regulations made under RTA 1988 s.36

They’re set out in the TSRGD. IIRC, they forgot to apply s 36 to the no entry sign.


corrected in December last year no entry is now s36 again

I know.

Posted by: sexyshark Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 16:26
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not received anything yet 2 weeks later, should I have received something by now?

Posted by: The Rookie Sat, 16 Jun 2018 - 16:34
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No, they have upto six months (if they decide in court) before you have to be sent anything.

Posted by: sexyshark Sat, 23 Jun 2018 - 13:46
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got my letter from cheshire constabulary today 3 weeks after the offence and got a £50 fine no points

Posted by: Dwain Sat, 23 Jun 2018 - 20:50
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Was it Knutsford services by any chance?

Dwain

Posted by: Ocelot Sun, 24 Jun 2018 - 18:42
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QUOTE (sexyshark @ Sat, 23 Jun 2018 - 14:46) *
got my letter from cheshire constabulary today 3 weeks after the offence and got a £50 fine no points


Sounds about right.

Posted by: sexyshark Mon, 25 Jun 2018 - 14:12
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Was it Knutsford services by any chance?



No Hilden Road in warrington if you know the area

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