Ambulance ticketed, Paramedic ticketed at Tesco Express Cheshire |
Ambulance ticketed, Paramedic ticketed at Tesco Express Cheshire |
Wed, 25 Jul 2018 - 10:10
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Papers carrying a story about a Paramedic's ambulance bing ticketed at a Tesco Express Kingsmead Cheshire.
Anyone know who the PPC is? |
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Wed, 25 Jul 2018 - 10:10
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Wed, 25 Jul 2018 - 10:29
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Sadly, GS has not been updated to show the signage. Hopefully, somebody local will be able to supply details. Either way, I can't see the idiot working for whichever firm is managing the car park for too long given the negative publicity he's just gven them.
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Wed, 25 Jul 2018 - 10:32
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,261 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-59...-ambulance.html
I 'think' its the car park below, no signs as of June 2017. https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.2429523,-...3312!8i6656 -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Wed, 25 Jul 2018 - 11:37
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I'd be more impressed by this social media outrage if this ambulance had actually been on a call, rather than just stopping for the paramedic to buy a bottle of water.
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Wed, 25 Jul 2018 - 12:29
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From Emergency Services News:
QUOTE Euro Parking Services said that they were ‘deeply upset’ by what had happened and offered their sincere apologies to the Medics involved Yesterday evening, we shared a video that had been sent into us of a parking enforcement contractor, Euro Parking Services Ltd, issuing TWO emergency ambulances with parking tickets. The video has been viewed nearly 300,000 times in under 12 hours and the vast majority of people who have left comments on the video are, quite rightly, appalled at the fact that anyone would deem it right and proper to issue a parking ticket to an emergency vehicle, not least to an emergency ambulance. The two emergency ambulances from North West Ambulance Service, had stopped in a Tesco Carpark at the Kingsmead Estate in Northwich, Cheshire. One of the crews had been on shift since 0700 that morning and at 1500, had just been given permission to have a quick meal break via their Control Room. However, the parking warden concerned told the emergency ambulance crews that they had “parked on double yellow lines” and was therefore adamant that they should receive the penalty charge notices. The ambulance crews tried to politely explain to the parking warden that one of his colleagues had previously told the local ambulance service that they could park where they had stopped, in order to pick up some food and water etc. In reply, the parking warden said “it’s my first time here”. A member of the public, who filmed the incident as it unfolded was clearly disgusted with the actions of the parking warden but in defiance, the parking warden asked “yeah, but are they on-call?” – “are their sirens sounding”…. He continued: “if they were on a call, then thats fine – but they can’t be parked on a double yellow line”. One of our Admins, ‘Cop(ex)’, called Euro Parking Services this morning to explain that we would be publishing this article and to give them a chance to respond to the huge amount of support that has been forthcoming for the Ambulance Service. Adrian Nesbitt, HR Manager at Euro Parking Services Ltd, explained to us that they were “deeply upset” by what had happened and that the ticket SHOULD NOT have been issued in the first place as Euro Parking Services fully “understands” the enormous pressures which the emergency services are put under – not least their time restraints whilst on duty in relation to grabbing a quick bite to eat. Mr Nesbitt stated that this incident had “highlighted an urgent review” of “internal processes” in relation to how its staff deal with emergency vehicles which are parked outside of designated parking bays in the car parks for which Euro Parking Services have responsibility. Mr Nesbitt, who has only recently joined the company, continued that Euro Parking Services was “deeply saddened” by what had happened and that they would introduce urgent and “rigours training” to ensure that this sort of situation does not happen again. |
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Wed, 25 Jul 2018 - 12:50
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Looks like it's EPS, and the landlord is firmly 'reviewing their contract at the site'. The ticket was cancelled within an hour of them being made aware of it.
All parking supervision has been stopped for the time being. This post has been edited by whjohnson: Wed, 25 Jul 2018 - 12:53 |
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Wed, 25 Jul 2018 - 14:25
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,261 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
Well if you employ people on minimum wage and tell them to ticket anything not moving, you reap what you sow. I do hope they have a 'bringing into disrepute' clause in their contract allowing them to be dumped unceremoniously.
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Wed, 25 Jul 2018 - 15:07
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Watching the video, the "attendant" couldn't understand the difference between "on call" and "on a call". The former is just as important - if a call came through while the paramedic was in the shop, having the ambulance as close as possible could literally be the difference between life and death.
It didn't seem to be causing an obstruction so absolutely nothing wrong with it being where it was. |
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Wed, 25 Jul 2018 - 15:47
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Why should anyone getting a "mid morning snack" (just water?) be treated any worse than a shopper doing something similar, Blue flashing lights would be different. No PPC is going to miss an opportunity to issue a 'ticket'
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Wed, 25 Jul 2018 - 18:40
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Why should anyone getting a "mid morning snack" (just water?) be treated any worse than a shopper doing something similar, Blue flashing lights would be different. No PPC is going to miss an opportunity to issue a 'ticket' In my area, retail park car parks are often used as standby points for ambulances and RRVs, so that they can be in a position to respond to emergencies faster than if they returned to station between calls. The last tie I was out in an RRV, we got coffee from KFC whilst awaiting the next call - the only break in an entire shift. I am not aware of any PPC tickets being issued, so clearly some PPCs do forego these opportunities to issue a ticket. It's a deeply unsavoury industry, but presumably some are able to apply a modicum of common sense, or realise that issuing tickets in such circumstances is likely to lead to the kind of consequences EPS are currently enjoying. |
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Wed, 25 Jul 2018 - 22:08
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Why should anyone getting a "mid morning snack" (just water?) be treated any worse than a shopper doing something similar, Blue flashing lights would be different. No PPC is going to miss an opportunity to issue a 'ticket' In my area, retail park car parks are often used as standby points for ambulances and RRVs, so that they can be in a position to respond to emergencies faster than if they returned to station between calls. The last tie I was out in an RRV, we got coffee from KFC whilst awaiting the next call - the only break in an entire shift. I am not aware of any PPC tickets being issued, so clearly some PPCs do forego these opportunities to issue a ticket. It's a deeply unsavoury industry, but presumably some are able to apply a modicum of common sense, or realise that issuing tickets in such circumstances is likely to lead to the kind of consequences EPS are currently enjoying. That is all it is, really. The Supreme Court-accepted legal mechanism at play in private parking is that a PPC makes an offer of parking to a driver of a vehicle, that driver--by parking--accepts the offer and a contract is formed (and immediately breached, by parking in violation of the terms and condition of the offer). There is no question that an ambulance driver is subject to the same legal mechanism, so the PPC is legally entitled to treat him/her exactly the same. So, unless he had been told specifically not to ticket emergency vehicles, the PPC drone was simply doing his job. However, if the PPC wishes to forgo enforcement of the debt, due to the inevitable public backlash, they are perfectly free to do so. One interesting question that arises from this story, which of course will never see the inside of a court, given the PPC's spineless reaction, is whether a driver under the mistaken impression that he had a right to park in a private parking area without agreeing to the offered contract would nevertheless be deemed to have agreed to it by the act of parking. On the face of it, there would have been no "meeting of the minds", or intention to create legal relations, but one can also see that applying the normal rules of contract law to a private parking situation would have a rather undesirable outcome for landowners (and PPCs)... --Churchmouse |
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Thu, 26 Jul 2018 - 04:31
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That is all it is, really. The Supreme Court-accepted legal mechanism at play in private parking is that a PPC makes an offer of parking to a driver of a vehicle, that driver--by parking--accepts the offer and a contract is formed (and immediately breached, by parking in violation of the terms and condition of the offer). Fundamental misunderstanding CM, the driver does indeed enter a contract, but there is no breach at all, in this case EPS would normally hold to the fact the driver contracted to pay £100 (reduced for early payment) for parking on that DYL. It’s a type of ‘premium parking’ if you will. -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Thu, 26 Jul 2018 - 08:03
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The article I read quoted the BPA's Code of Practice, 'You must respect the needs of the emergency services to carry out their duties without your taking enforcement action against them'.
...and then promptly added that EPS isn't a member of the BPA! So upon checking the IPC's CoP, there isn't an equivalent piece of sensible advice. -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
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Thu, 26 Jul 2018 - 17:11
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Why should anyone getting a "mid morning snack" (just water?) be treated any worse than a shopper doing something similar, Blue flashing lights would be different. No PPC is going to miss an opportunity to issue a 'ticket' Because they are driving a vehicle that, by necessity, is too large to fit in a normal parking space and, by necessity, needs to be nearby to the paramedic at all times? 99% of people understand that and are very obliging, but not a month goes past without a report of one of our crews getting verbal abuse for blocking the road when attending a call. |
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Thu, 26 Jul 2018 - 17:23
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Why should anyone getting a "mid morning snack" (just water?) be treated any worse than a shopper doing something similar, Blue flashing lights would be different. No PPC is going to miss an opportunity to issue a 'ticket' Because they are driving a vehicle that, by necessity, is too large to fit in a normal parking space and, by necessity, needs to be nearby to the paramedic at all times? And yet people seem to react quite differently when it’s a police van... -------------------- Moderator
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Thu, 26 Jul 2018 - 21:52
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Why should anyone getting a "mid morning snack" (just water?) be treated any worse than a shopper doing something similar, Blue flashing lights would be different. No PPC is going to miss an opportunity to issue a 'ticket' Because they are driving a vehicle that, by necessity, is too large to fit in a normal parking space and, by necessity, needs to be nearby to the paramedic at all times? Then perhaps they should take the supplies they're going to need with them at the start of their shift, rather than risk being unable to do their job part way through the day? Like other people do who have to do a job without popping out to the shops at random intervals. 99% of people understand that and are very obliging, but not a month goes past without a report of one of our crews getting verbal abuse for blocking the road when attending a call. Yes, but this crew weren't attending a call, were they? -------------------- Regards,
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Fri, 27 Jul 2018 - 05:40
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The article I read quoted the BPA's Code of Practice, 'You must respect the needs of the emergency services to carry out their duties without your taking enforcement action against them'. ...and then promptly added that EPS isn't a member of the BPA! So upon checking the IPC's CoP, there isn't an equivalent piece of sensible advice. But their duties do not include shopping. |
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Fri, 27 Jul 2018 - 06:06
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Arguably being available for a call is part of their duties, they don’t have defined breaks.
Then perhaps they should take the supplies they're going to need with them at the start of their shift, rather than risk being unable to do their job part way through the day? Like other people do who have to do a job without popping out to the shops at random intervals. Is there space for that in an ambulance? I ask as I don’t know the answer. -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Fri, 27 Jul 2018 - 13:55
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Arguably being available for a call is part of their duties, they don’t have defined breaks. Then perhaps they should take the supplies they're going to need with them at the start of their shift, rather than risk being unable to do their job part way through the day? Like other people do who have to do a job without popping out to the shops at random intervals. Is there space for that in an ambulance? I ask as I don’t know the answer. Interesting question. I looked to see if anyone had made a FOI request and they had. Seems that most ambulance drivers are on 12 hour shifts. I'd eat quite a lot of food over a 12 hour period, not to mention drink a lot. Unless modern ambulances are fitted with a teasmade and maybe they use the medicine fridge for sandwiches ? |
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Fri, 27 Jul 2018 - 15:38
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Based on the goodies I used to snaffle from ambulances at RTAs I’d answer in the affirmative.
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