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blackdouglas
post Fri, 14 Oct 2005 - 22:01
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Good evening,

Looks like we'll all be buying a copy of the DAILY MAIL tomorrow. The FRONT PAGE has the headline "Great Speed Gun Scandal" - as shown just now on the ITV News review of tomorrows papers.

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post Sun, 16 Oct 2005 - 06:26
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I am going to run off a few 3 page wall posters. Any one who wants a copy pm me a postal address.


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post Sun, 16 Oct 2005 - 09:59
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Hi everyone

Back to the Mail article, I believe the most crucial part of the whole lot was the reference to the ACPO guidelines by Mr Garratt (page 25 top of 5th column) and I quote it as follows:-

"The equipment is Home Office Type Approved and when used in accordance with manufacturer's instructions AND ACPO'S CODE OF PRACTICE, presents no problems."

Oh dear me! (Does anyone know how to treat a bullet wound to the end of a leg?)[/b]
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smiffyz
post Sun, 16 Oct 2005 - 10:49
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Very supprised there's no feedback to the articleon the Mail's web site.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1770

Perhaps if enough people refuse to pay fines then the courts will realise the feeling amongst drivers about the 20/20 and do something about it.
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post Sun, 16 Oct 2005 - 11:08
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That is because they dont usualy put it on the web till the next day. I am sure they will recieve some comments now smile.gif


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post Sun, 16 Oct 2005 - 14:33
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QUOTE (Anton)
That is because they dont usualy put it on the web till the next day. I am sure they will recieve some comments now

Too true Anton, and it is there now so time to add some comments, look
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post Sun, 16 Oct 2005 - 22:10
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One thing that has come out is that you can get a reflected speed. We have been concentrating on slip error, but when a LTI20/20 is pointed at an angle on to a shiny car or even hits some chrome. you can get a speed reading from another car.

This is not an insignificant discovery as I am sure it affects all laser devices.


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post Mon, 17 Oct 2005 - 05:00
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I notice that there are still only 3 comments on the article at 5.53am today  :shock:

I would suggest that this is our chance to put our experiences, with the LTI20-20,  Mr Garrett, the Crown witholding evidence etc etc

Exposure of an issue like this is hard fought for - make the most of it!

Link  here

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post Mon, 17 Oct 2005 - 09:48
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That's very decent of you Stalkerpaul, but I was told never to accept gifts from strangers and they don't come any stranger than you!!


Hmmm... if I am in fact a Stalker, why have I not yet had that Knock on the door?


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post Mon, 17 Oct 2005 - 11:29
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Hi,

We need to keep this ball rolling.

The LTI 20:20 is not the only dodgy laser. Many forces are moving to Pro-Laser III which is equally flawed.

Can we find a University Department willing to do a proper evaluation of these things and publish an authoritative paper which can be used in court? I would be happy to chip in to fund this research and I'm sure that motoring organisations, newpapers and magazines would stump up.

Bob

PS please ignore the trolls they don't know any better.
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post Mon, 17 Oct 2005 - 11:36
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QUOTE (Mika)
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Courtesy Sky News:



QUOTE (Clerk of the court)
How do you plead?


QUOTE (Cyclist accused of cycling at 66mph)
Very fit


The crystal ball predicts the largest civil litigation for damages, in British motoring history. :wink:

Mendacious individuals always get found out in the end.


if there really is going to be a court case for damages , then all of the various councils/partnerhsips, MUST  reserve their rights to claim against the importer  now .. failure to do so MIGHT  result in the company being cleaned out of funds and turning up it's toes when the first claim comes  in.. thus protecting the USA producer.

Then the ratepayer has to pay all the bills whilst the link with the producer has been lost..


Bill

SNIPER/SHELBY ..  make your selves  usefull,  suggest  the claim for your partnership is lodged now.. PDQ
IF U dont... The angry rate payers will  hold u  liable for not looking after tax payers fund.. gross negligence or similar.. who knows..


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post Mon, 17 Oct 2005 - 19:47
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Bill beware! youve seen Shelbyville now look out for Sniperville.

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post Tue, 18 Oct 2005 - 09:52
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I believe this is a very very very important word for everyone to know in future .. Some of us may wish to use it.  

http://tinyurl.com/b44ew

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post Tue, 18 Oct 2005 - 09:54
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Whats the word Bill, the link is kaput :?
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post Tue, 18 Oct 2005 - 09:59
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Whats the word Bill, the link is kaput :?

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noun [U]LEGAL
an example of dishonest and illegal behaviour, especially by a person in authority:
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post Tue, 18 Oct 2005 - 16:00
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Would that mean that by ignoring the errors, this press statement shows malfeasance behavoir?


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post Tue, 18 Oct 2005 - 16:02
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QUOTE (anton)
Would that mean that by ignoring the errors, this press statement shows malfeasance behavoir?


QUOTE (Wiltshire Scameraship)
This equipment is not the same as reported in the media.


Didn't the daily mail use an LTI 20 20 Ultralyte with type approval?


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post Tue, 18 Oct 2005 - 18:44
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QUOTE ([url=http://www.safetycameraswiltshire.co.uk/pub.asp?newsid=95)
Beleaguered Wiltshire Scammers[/url]]If an offence is contested in court, the Safety Camera Partnership will provide expert evidence to show that its Home Office approved equipment is properly maintained and used by competent operators.

In the event that the case is proved at court the partnership will seek to recoup its costs from the defendant.

You can almost hear their knees knocking at the prospect of more money being re-directed to the courtroom rather than straight to scammer HQ.  

Does this amount to a threat?  :roll:


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post Tue, 18 Oct 2005 - 18:59
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Yes FF it certainly looks  thinly veiled  doesnt it.CONTEST AND YOUR FOR IT.....


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post Tue, 18 Oct 2005 - 20:02
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Wiltshire are still able to remember refunding and u-turning from Folly Bottom  :lol:


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post Tue, 18 Oct 2005 - 21:17
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Didn't the daily mail use an LTI 20 20 Ultralyte with type approval?

It had a very clear (and obvious) Tele-Traffic UK sticker on the back, and I think I read that it may have even been the property of a UK police force.

edit: No, a SafeSpeed posting says it wasn't a police-spec device.

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