Traffic Offence Report received, no access road |
Traffic Offence Report received, no access road |
Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 05:38
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 4 Jun 2018 Member No.: 98,242 |
I got pulled up by the police on Saturday afternoon for driving down a no access road, now awaiting my punishment through the post. Any idea on what I will receive and is there a course available to avoid points
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Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 06:30
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Member Group: Members Posts: 960 Joined: 13 Jul 2011 From: Bocking Member No.: 48,194 |
Depends upon what the charge is and how dangerous the move was.
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Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 06:41
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 4 Jun 2018 Member No.: 98,242 |
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Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 08:48
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
A number of offences could be charged, you'll just have to wait and see.
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Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 11:16
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13,572 Joined: 28 Mar 2010 Member No.: 36,528 |
If you went past a No Entry sign that is an endorsable offence, but it sounds as though it was not that but the sort of road that has a notice like "No access except to authorised vehicles" in which case it is likely to be a fine only.
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Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 11:22
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 4 Jun 2018 Member No.: 98,242 |
If you went past a No Entry sign that is an endorsable offence, but it sounds as though it was not that but the sort of road that has a notice like "No access except to authorised vehicles" in which case it is likely to be a fine only. yes it was a no vehicles unless for access only sign so no points then which is a relief many thanks |
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Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 13:20
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Member Group: Members Posts: 291 Joined: 12 Jan 2013 Member No.: 59,321 |
I often drive past a similar sign (Google Street Image here) as a cut through. The sign says "except for access" but does not say to what. I use the road to access the main road at the other end of it. Unless the sign clearly states what the road is to be used to access I cannot see how it is enforcable.
This post has been edited by Colin_S: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 13:21 |
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Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 13:48
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,214 Joined: 24 Mar 2013 From: Scotland Member No.: 60,732 |
"I use the road to access the main road at the other end of it. "
I can't see that holding water unless there is no other way to reach the main road from your starting point. |
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Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 14:36
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 4 Jun 2018 Member No.: 98,242 |
I often drive past a similar sign (Google Street Image here) as a cut through. The sign says "except for access" but does not say to what. I use the road to access the main road at the other end of it. Unless the sign clearly states what the road is to be used to access I cannot see how it is enforcable. tried that didn't work |
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Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 14:52
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13,735 Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Member No.: 14,720 |
I often drive past a similar sign (Google Street Image here) as a cut through. The sign says "except for access" but does not say to what. I use the road to access the main road at the other end of it. Unless the sign clearly states what the road is to be used to access I cannot see how it is enforcable. tried that didn't work Why would it not be enforceable if it is an approved sign? -------------------- |
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Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 15:54
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
I often drive past a similar sign (Google Street Image here) as a cut through. The sign says "except for access" but does not say to what. I use the road to access the main road at the other end of it. Unless the sign clearly states what the road is to be used to access I cannot see how it is enforcable. I believe "for access" means for access to, or loading / unload / alighting to or from, premises on that road. Otherwise the sign would be meaningless. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 18:47
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,140 Joined: 19 Jun 2004 From: Surrey Member No.: 1,326 |
If you went past a No Entry sign that is an endorsable offence, but it sounds as though it was not that but the sort of road that has a notice like "No access except to authorised vehicles" in which case it is likely to be a fine only. yes it was a no vehicles unless for access only sign so no points then which is a relief many thanks That happened to me about 10 years ago. No points and £30 charge, which has probably increased since then. |
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Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 13:56
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Member Group: Members Posts: 938 Joined: 24 Sep 2014 Member No.: 73,212 |
If you went past a No Entry sign that is an endorsable offence, but it sounds as though it was not that but the sort of road that has a notice like "No access except to authorised vehicles" in which case it is likely to be a fine only. yes it was a no vehicles unless for access only sign so no points then which is a relief many thanks Failing to conform to a traffic sign £100 and 3 points (TS50) |
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Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 17:28
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13,572 Joined: 28 Mar 2010 Member No.: 36,528 |
If you went past a No Entry sign that is an endorsable offence, but it sounds as though it was not that but the sort of road that has a notice like "No access except to authorised vehicles" in which case it is likely to be a fine only. yes it was a no vehicles unless for access only sign so no points then which is a relief many thanks No, the offence is endorsable in respect of some signs, but not others, see RTOA 1988 Sch 2 Part 1. To find out which you have to go to Regulations made under RTA 1988 s.36 -------------------- |
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Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 18:09
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To find out which you have to go to Regulations made under RTA 1988 s.36 They’re set out in the TSRGD. IIRC, they forgot to apply s 36 to the no entry sign. -------------------- Moderator
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Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 18:57
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,140 Joined: 19 Jun 2004 From: Surrey Member No.: 1,326 |
If you went past a No Entry sign that is an endorsable offence, but it sounds as though it was not that but the sort of road that has a notice like "No access except to authorised vehicles" in which case it is likely to be a fine only. yes it was a no vehicles unless for access only sign so no points then which is a relief many thanks Failing to conform to a traffic sign £100 and 3 points (TS50) I don't think that applies to no left turn or right turn or for access only, or at least it didn't (nearer to) 15 years ago. |
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Wed, 6 Jun 2018 - 00:36
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13,572 Joined: 28 Mar 2010 Member No.: 36,528 |
To find out which you have to go to Regulations made under RTA 1988 s.36 They’re set out in the TSRGD. IIRC, they forgot to apply s 36 to the no entry sign. Indeed, but that was corrected along with other errors LINK para 7.2 This post has been edited by Logician: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 - 00:37 -------------------- |
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Wed, 6 Jun 2018 - 11:47
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Member Group: Members Posts: 938 Joined: 24 Sep 2014 Member No.: 73,212 |
To find out which you have to go to Regulations made under RTA 1988 s.36 They’re set out in the TSRGD. IIRC, they forgot to apply s 36 to the no entry sign. Indeed, but that was corrected along with other errors LINK para 7.2 So, is failing to conform to a 'No Entry' or 'No Vehicles' sign endorsable....or not? According to various websites it is. It would be interesting to know exactly how the OP ended up getting caught presumably he was followed along the whole length of road. |
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Wed, 6 Jun 2018 - 12:20
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To find out which you have to go to Regulations made under RTA 1988 s.36 They’re set out in the TSRGD. IIRC, they forgot to apply s 36 to the no entry sign. Indeed, but that was corrected along with other errors LINK para 7.2 So, is failing to conform to a 'No Entry' or 'No Vehicles' sign endorsable....or not? According to various websites it is. It would be interesting to know exactly how the OP ended up getting caught presumably he was followed along the whole length of road. I have been followed by a policecar in the past from start to finish and not been pulled but on this occasion there was a police car set up in the 1st road and the police van set up at the other end and that is where they stopped me |
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Wed, 6 Jun 2018 - 13:14
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Member Group: Members Posts: 33,610 Joined: 2 Apr 2008 From: Not in the UK Member No.: 18,483 |
The no vehicles sign is not prescribed for the purposes of s 36.
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