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Thought this was interesting, Traffic lights may have to stay longer on amber
Fluffykins
post Mon, 21 Oct 2019 - 12:47
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Dunno if this is relevant to the UK, via the international body, but it was interesting anyway.

A Swedish engineer's umbrage at a traffic ticket has led to a six-year legal fight and now a global change in the speed with which traffic light signals are timed.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/21/tr...lights_changed/
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post Mon, 21 Oct 2019 - 13:12
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Read that last year.
Not convinced it would even apply over here.
AIUI, traffic light cameras over here trigger against a vehicle crossing the stop line and are set with a delay (2 sec ??) from when the light goes red.
The delay would satisfy one of his gripes.
The Stop line trigger removes the root cause of his ticket, turning left (our right) and waiting for traffic to clear, perhaps after lights had turned red.
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post Mon, 21 Oct 2019 - 15:10
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I occasionally watch 'Caught in Providence' on YouTube and they seem to have a 0.1 second trigger for crossing a red light.
Seems overly harsh to me but then I don't know how long their amber light is lit.
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roythebus
post Mon, 21 Oct 2019 - 18:27
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This is something i bought up at my Driver CPC "lecture" a couple of months ago. In many places we now have these "let the bicycle go first" boes at traffic lights. this shortens stopping distances by about 20'. From what I was told the amber phase has not been lengthened to take this into account. therefore it is entirely possible for a driver to get a ticket for stopping in the cycle box. This particularly affects bus driver whose main job is to give passengers a smooth ride and avoid harsh braking.

We all know the correct procedure for approaching traffic lights, but even with a driver following those guidelines he has 20' less to stop his bus in, therebysa having to brake harsher than if he was to stop at the erstwhile stop line. The course intstructor didn't think the timings had been changed.
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post Mon, 21 Oct 2019 - 18:33
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QUOTE (roythebus @ Mon, 21 Oct 2019 - 19:27) *
This is something i bought up at my Driver CPC "lecture" a couple of months ago. In many places we now have these "let the bicycle go first" boes at traffic lights. this shortens stopping distances by about 20'. From what I was told the amber phase has not been lengthened to take this into account. therefore it is entirely possible for a driver to get a ticket for stopping in the cycle box. This particularly affects bus driver whose main job is to give passengers a smooth ride and avoid harsh braking.

We all know the correct procedure for approaching traffic lights, but even with a driver following those guidelines he has 20' less to stop his bus in, therebysa having to brake harsher than if he was to stop at the erstwhile stop line. The course intstructor didn't think the timings had been changed.

No, you can cross the advanced stop line if you couldn't stop safely in time once the light had turned amber, just like the "normal" stop line. The only difference is that you can't just carry on, if you could stop before the second line then you have to do that.


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post Mon, 21 Oct 2019 - 19:16
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Mon, 21 Oct 2019 - 14:12) *
Read that last year.
Not convinced it would even apply over here.
AIUI, traffic light cameras over here trigger against a vehicle crossing the stop line and are set with a delay (2 sec ??) from when the light goes red.
The delay would satisfy one of his gripes.
The Stop line trigger removes the root cause of his ticket, turning left (our right) and waiting for traffic to clear, perhaps after lights had turned red.

It's not just an issue of the trigger, it's more the fact that here the offence is defined as crossing the stop line. The trigger here is normally 0.9 or 1 second I believe.


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post Tue, 22 Oct 2019 - 23:42
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QUOTE (roythebus @ Mon, 21 Oct 2019 - 18:27) *
In many places we now have these "let the bicycle go first" boes at traffic lights. this shortens stopping distances by about 20'.

No it doesn’t at all, You really didn’t think about that.

The stopping distance is however far you are from the stop line when the lights go amber, whether that stop line is by the light, in front, or behind, doesn’t change that by 1mm. It’s not like you can argue the lights are only visible from a certain distance (as that would be irrelevant for the distances involved) either.


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post Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 21:21
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It made an interesting discussion point though in what was a rather dull day.

Bus drivers are told they must stop at the first line, not to encroach in the bicycle "box". That is why I brought the subject up. I'm aware that the stop line must not be crossed on red, but I think you'll find in law the bicycle "box" stop line (the first one when you approach it) is legally the stop line. But I may be wrong, I usually am. It comes with getting old. smile.gif
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QUOTE (roythebus @ Wed, 23 Oct 2019 - 22:21) *
It made an interesting discussion point though in what was a rather dull day.

Bus drivers are told they must stop at the first line, not to encroach in the bicycle "box". That is why I brought the subject up. I'm aware that the stop line must not be crossed on red, but I think you'll find in law the bicycle "box" stop line (the first one when you approach it) is legally the stop line. But I may be wrong, I usually am. It comes with getting old. smile.gif

Fredd has explained the correct legal position in post 5 above.


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post Fri, 25 Oct 2019 - 09:05
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For a motor vehicle both stop lines are treated the same.....
If you can stop safely, on Amber, you stop at the first one, if you can only stop safely for the second line you do so, if you can’t stop safely for either you proceed.
If the light is red you cannot proceed (any part the vehicle) across either line.

If you are not a motorised vehicle then the first stop line doesn’t apply to you, this allows cycles to enter the box anywhere whereas pre 2016 they had to use the cycle lane (which some councils forgot to install allowing no-one in).


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