Do all councils break the rules? |
Do all councils break the rules? |
Sat, 22 Sep 2018 - 10:56
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I recently won against Staffordshire County Council at tribunal. The case was the bus lane camera on the i54 business park. As part of the evidence pack the council included a number of streetview images, including one cropped to give a false view. I see in the google attribution guidelines (https://www.google.com/permissions/geoguidelines/attr-guide/) that the council should not have used the image with the copyright notices cropped out.
Looking back, I should have asked the tribunal to chuck out the council case, or at least refuse to accept the cropped image. If they can't be arsed to send a jobsworth with a phone camera, but rely on breaking licence terms they deserve the hiding. Hmmm. Shall I stir things by reporting this to google? |
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Sat, 22 Sep 2018 - 11:39
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,860 Joined: 12 May 2012 Member No.: 54,871 |
I recently won against Staffordshire County Council at tribunal. The case was the bus lane camera on the i54 business park. As part of the evidence pack the council included a number of streetview images, including one cropped to give a false view. I see in the google attribution guidelines (https://www.google.com/permissions/geoguidelines/attr-guide/) that the council should not have used the image with the copyright notices cropped out. Looking back, I should have asked the tribunal to chuck out the council case, or at least refuse to accept the cropped image. If they can't be arsed to send a jobsworth with a phone camera, but rely on breaking licence terms they deserve the hiding. Hmmm. Shall I stir things by reporting this to google? Why not? |
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Sat, 22 Sep 2018 - 14:43
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Member Group: Members Posts: 33,610 Joined: 2 Apr 2008 From: Not in the UK Member No.: 18,483 |
What do you think Google could (or would) do about it?
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Sat, 22 Sep 2018 - 15:31
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Member Group: Members Posts: 25,726 Joined: 28 Jun 2010 From: Area 51 Member No.: 38,559 |
Would have thought it would fall under Fair Dealing, use in judicial proceedings is AFAIK
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Sat, 22 Sep 2018 - 15:34
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There's a certain irony in the title of this thread, given:
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Sat, 22 Sep 2018 - 17:11
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Member Group: Members Posts: 20,912 Joined: 22 Apr 2012 Member No.: 54,455 |
Certainly a large number of councils game the system. They rely on the 50% reduction for early payment of PCNs to get their ill-gotten dosh as most people are reluctant to give up the discount option, so don't take matters beyond an initial challenge.
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Sat, 22 Sep 2018 - 18:06
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Member Group: Members Posts: 33,610 Joined: 2 Apr 2008 From: Not in the UK Member No.: 18,483 |
There's a certain irony in the title of this thread, given: QUOTE (Forum Terms of Use) Registration You may register one account for your exclusive personal use. You may not register additional accounts without our express agreement. -------------------- Moderator
Any comments made do not constitute legal advice and should not be relied upon. No lawyer/client relationship should be assumed nor should any duty of care be owed. |
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Tue, 25 Sep 2018 - 17:43
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Member Group: Members Posts: 195 Joined: 4 Mar 2014 Member No.: 69,189 |
Looking back, I should have asked the tribunal to chuck out the council case, or at least refuse to accept the cropped image. If they can't be arsed to send a jobsworth with a phone camera, but rely on breaking licence terms they deserve the hiding. Hmmm. Shall I stir things by reporting this to google? The council won't get a hiding or pay any price. If the council were fined, the money needed to pay it will come from Staffordshire council tax payers which may mean a council tax hike or a cut in public services to claw back the money. Council staff from what I read, are almost never sacked or demoted for any mistakes made. |
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Wed, 26 Sep 2018 - 12:50
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Member Group: Members Posts: 972 Joined: 9 Oct 2016 Member No.: 87,665 |
Having read the OP, I'm considering putting a TM symbol at the end of my number plate so that the courts can't use it as evidence without my permission. I'm assuming this will work flawlessly, but if any of the legal experts on here want to give (positive only) feedback, I'd be grateful.
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Wed, 26 Sep 2018 - 19:11
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Member Group: Members Posts: 33,610 Joined: 2 Apr 2008 From: Not in the UK Member No.: 18,483 |
Having read the OP, I'm considering putting a TM symbol at the end of my number plate so that the courts can't use it as evidence without my permission. I'm assuming this will work flawlessly, but if any of the legal experts on here want to give (positive only) feedback, I'd be grateful. -------------------- Moderator
Any comments made do not constitute legal advice and should not be relied upon. No lawyer/client relationship should be assumed nor should any duty of care be owed. |
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Thu, 27 Sep 2018 - 05:24
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,194 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
In that case I'm positive that's bull$hit......... Not least as DVLA own the number not you, so if it were anyone TM it would be theirs!
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Thu, 27 Sep 2018 - 06:35
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Webmaster Group: Root Admin Posts: 8,205 Joined: 30 Mar 2003 From: Wokingham, UK Member No.: 2 |
In that case I'm positive that's bull$hit......... Not least as DVLA own the number not you, so if it were anyone TM it would be theirs! I'm thinking that Spandex's post was rather more tongue in cheek than you're assuming... -------------------- Regards,
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Thu, 27 Sep 2018 - 06:42
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,194 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
No i do realise his whole tongue was stuffed firmly in his cheek.....
-------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
S172's Rookies 1-0 Kent Council PCN's Rookies 1-0 Warwick Rookies 1-0 Birmingham PPC PCN's Rookies 10-0 PPC's |
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Thu, 27 Sep 2018 - 07:02
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Member Group: Members Posts: 972 Joined: 9 Oct 2016 Member No.: 87,665 |
Maybe I’ll cover my car in ‘gettyimages®’ decals...
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Sat, 29 Sep 2018 - 13:44
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Maybe I’ll cover my car in ‘gettyimages®’ decals... To be honest it's much easier to just explain to the courts that the name held on file by the DVLA is a legal fiction, and they have no jurisdiction... Certainly a large number of councils game the system. They rely on the 50% reduction for early payment of PCNs to get their ill-gotten dosh as most people are reluctant to give up the discount option, so don't take matters beyond an initial challenge. On a serious note, not all of it is ill-gotten gains. If there were no enforcement at all, it would be chaos. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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