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John Bravo
post Sat, 2 Jun 2018 - 11:28
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Hi All,
This is a new PCN. I think this is becoming my new hobby :-)


The duration is 3h30min
The driver has paid for the 1st hour then was held by a physiotherapist and bought a ticket for another 1h. There is still 1h30min of unpaid parking.

This £100 does not look like a fair penalty considering the contravention.
Please advise.
Best regards,

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post Sat, 2 Jun 2018 - 18:57
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First edit your post and remove anything that may ID the driver.
Refer only to "the driver" did this or that.
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John Bravo
post Sat, 2 Jun 2018 - 19:47
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QUOTE (Dave65 @ Sat, 2 Jun 2018 - 19:57) *
First edit your post and remove anything that may ID the driver.
Refer only to "the driver" did this or that.

What else should I remove? the picture? I have covered the details except the dates and times.
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post Sat, 2 Jun 2018 - 19:57
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QUOTE (John Bravo @ Sat, 2 Jun 2018 - 20:47) *
QUOTE (Dave65 @ Sat, 2 Jun 2018 - 19:57) *
First edit your post and remove anything that may ID the driver.
Refer only to "the driver" did this or that.

What else should I remove? the picture? I have covered the details except the dates and times.


Leave the picture - it doesn't identify the driver.


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John Bravo
post Sat, 2 Jun 2018 - 20:05
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Anything else?
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John Bravo
post Sun, 3 Jun 2018 - 20:24
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What are your thoughts? Any line of defence or is it better to pay in this case?
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Macapaca
post Sun, 3 Jun 2018 - 21:18
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You have blanked out key helpful information like dates! Also you need to publish the reverse side of the PCN if you want any help.

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John Bravo
post Sun, 3 Jun 2018 - 21:30
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Time of breach of terms and conditions: 18/05/2018
Letter sent: 25/05/2018
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post Sun, 3 Jun 2018 - 21:52
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Photos and locations of signs?
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John Bravo
post Sun, 3 Jun 2018 - 22:21
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I think signs are at the entrance to the parking.

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Macapaca
post Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 07:34
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What do they say and are they readable? You are asking for help but not making it easy for anybody to help you. Unless anybody can identify a technical loophole you will be struggling to avoid paying.
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post Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 08:40
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Before thinking of paying, have a look and find out if their court claims are very high. You can gauge your chances then!

Check out the BMPA PADI database.
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John Bravo
post Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 09:33
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QUOTE (Macapaca @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 08:34) *
What do they say and are they readable? You are asking for help but not making it easy for anybody to help you. Unless anybody can identify a technical loophole you will be struggling to avoid paying.

Unfortunately this was a one off visit to that place. I live 15 miles away on the other side of London. This is one of this cases where I went to a new place.




As you can see they put signs all over the place, but I cannot get pictures of higher quality to show what is actually written on them. This is basically a shopping area: Tesco Metro, Pound and etc.

QUOTE (nosferatu1001 @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 09:40) *
Before thinking of paying, have a look and find out if their court claims are very high. You can gauge your chances then!

Check out the BMPA PADI database.

Please can I get the link to it?

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Macapaca
post Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 10:11
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I appreciate it is 15 miles away but the signs define what contract you entered into.

http://www.parkingappeals.info/companydata...g_Services.html

Currently indicating zero risk of Court!! There have been no cases going to court in 2018 and only 6 in 8000 in 2017. It is basically uneconomic for these companies to go to Court hence they generally don't bother no matter how many threats they issue. Toothless tigers!
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John Bravo
post Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 10:23
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QUOTE (Macapaca @ Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 11:11) *
I appreciate it is 15 miles away but the signs define what contract you entered into.

http://www.parkingappeals.info/companydata...g_Services.html

Currently indicating zero risk of Court!! There have been no cases going to court in 2018 and only 6 in 8000 in 2017. It is basically uneconomic for these companies to go to Court hence they generally don't bother no matter how many threats they issue. Toothless tigers!


I have found a thread on MoneySavingsExpert re the Harlsden Plaza and asked the man to share his pictures of the signage - his links to photos in the thread have expired.
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showth...d.php?t=5522845

What should I then do with these toothless tigers? Let them roar? smile.gif
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post Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 10:31
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Yes, let them roar. However it is worth getting those pictures if you can as it might identify a technicality which would put the tiger in the cage. Follow the appeals process but then ignore debt collection letters but keep copies of everything. Watch put for a LBA will will need to be formally responded to. It is quite entertaining watching a tiger gnash its gums!
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post Mon, 4 Jun 2018 - 12:04
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Signage is all that makes these into a "contracts" issue, and if the signs are missing, cant be read, dontt actuall offer a contract then there isnt a contract.
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John Bravo
post Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 10:57
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Ok, what should I put as my representation then?
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nosferatu1001
post Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 11:03
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What has your research on here and MSE parking forum -> Newbies thread told you you should put in your appea;L/
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John Bravo
post Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 11:40
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QUOTE (nosferatu1001 @ Tue, 5 Jun 2018 - 12:03) *
What has your research on here and MSE parking forum -> Newbies thread told you you should put in your appea;L/

I am going with the template from here: https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showth...d.php?t=4816822
and I attach pictures of two parking receipts for their consent so my overstay is 1h30min not 2h30min straight.
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