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Middle lane hogging - careless?
southpaw82
post Fri, 8 Nov 2019 - 12:34
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What do we think?

Some observations:

For it to be careless, it has to fall below the standard expected of a competent and careful driver.

For it to be without reasonable consideration, some other person actually has to be inconvenienced.


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QUOTE (Richy320 @ Sat, 30 Nov 2019 - 08:59) *
As a cyclist biggrin.gif I generally filter on the left hand side of the lane appropriate for the direction of travel. If the left lane is for turning left and going straight ahead then it’s perfectly safe to filter on the left.


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post Mon, 2 Dec 2019 - 09:28
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QUOTE (Fredd @ Sat, 30 Nov 2019 - 17:28) *
This thread was bad enough when it was about the MLOC, PLEASE don't turn it into yet another, even more tedious, car vs. bicycle thread! icon_hang.gif


QUOTE (Fredd @ Fri, 29 Nov 2019 - 08:39) *
Not to mention tractors, cyclists, council waste collection vehicles, parcel delivery vans, buses, ... Suddenly I'm starting to see the attraction of this "get out of the way or it's careless" notion. smile.gif


You did the turning on this one Fredd!


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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Mon, 2 Dec 2019 - 09:28) *
You did the turning on this one Fredd!

They were just examples of slow vehicles - it's not like I was having a go at cyclists, any more than I was at the likes of waste collection vehicles also going about their business!


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post Mon, 2 Dec 2019 - 16:06
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Well here we go, cyclists jumping on the bandwagon! well those of them that didnt get run over filtering up the inside of it as it turned left rolleyes.gif
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post Mon, 2 Dec 2019 - 20:41
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I'm seeing a lot more police taking action from what I can see on Twitter to stop middle lane hoggers. Good on them. Many are saying on Twitter that they followed cars for miles on a completely empty road without even noticing there was a police car in the back before they turned their blue's on and pulled them over!

I am very worried about being called out for undertaking when passing these naughties on the inside!

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QUOTE (speedfighter23 @ Mon, 2 Dec 2019 - 20:41) *
I am very worried about being called out for undertaking when passing these naughties on the inside!


Something i have done only to find mloc nob on the phone!
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QUOTE (speedfighter23 @ Mon, 2 Dec 2019 - 20:41) *
I'm seeing a lot more police taking action from what I can see on Twitter to stop middle lane hoggers.

I can't think of a less reliable source of information than Twitter. Except maybe RT or the Daily Fail.


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Another one

Mercedes driver issued ticket for A3 middle lane hogging
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post Wed, 1 Jan 2020 - 12:21
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Yep nice one Surrey plod biggrin.gif
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post Wed, 1 Jan 2020 - 20:54
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..... but the driver who was blocked (orange car) remains in the middle lane after overtaking the mercedes.
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Did you miss the fact there was another vehicle in lane 1 after he overtook the merc ??
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QUOTE (mike5100 @ Wed, 1 Jan 2020 - 20:54) *
..... but the driver who was blocked (orange car) remains in the middle lane after overtaking the mercedes.

That car also crossed the solid white line to get to lane 2 rather than waiting till it becomes a broken line. Many is the time that I want to get to lane 2 right away (as there are slow vehicles in lane 1) and by the time I wait till I've got to the end of the solid line, some impatient numpty has already pulled out and is starting to accelerate past me.

All too many people do both (go to lane 2 too early, and just go to lane 2 come what may, regardless of what is or isn't in lane 1) at that junction.
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post Thu, 9 Jan 2020 - 13:54
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The solid white line has no statutory meaning according to the office who prosecuted this offence (via his own twitter feed).


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QUOTE (Irksome @ Thu, 9 Jan 2020 - 13:54) *
The solid white line has no statutory meaning according to the office who prosecuted this offence (via his own twitter feed).

Link?


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post Fri, 10 Jan 2020 - 08:25
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Well here’s another link for you on the subject, I’ll dig out the reference to the solid white line next.

2 miles in lane 3 last night

Here you are CP

solid white line has no legal status


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QUOTE (Irksome @ Fri, 10 Jan 2020 - 08:25) *

Can't see anything in the TSRGD to suggest he's wrong.


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post Sat, 11 Jan 2020 - 15:49
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A single solid white line does not of itself convey any rule or restriction. It might indicate that most traffic might not be permitted to be on one or other sides of the line (e.g. bus lanes, hard shoulders, etc.).
chevrons surrounded by a solid white line is a prescribed sign. I do not believe that the single white line extending from the chevronned area is prescribed as part of that sign.


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QUOTE (Irksome @ Fri, 10 Jan 2020 - 08:25) *

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It feels wrong to drive over it, and that’s it intention. Very similar to when councils put a broken chevron area to dissuade overtaking on single carriageways.

I may have to modify my behaviour at that junction in future smile.gif
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post Mon, 27 Jan 2020 - 14:40
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Ive just come back from driving 600 miles (by motorbike) through Holland Belgium and Luxembourg. Some comments.
Our continental friends hog the middle lane the same as we do. Especially when traffic is light and nobody is inconvenienced (ie the situation described way back in the original post).
But they are more inclined than we are to pull into the slow lane if traffic is moderate.
If traffic is heavy all bets are off and again they drive like us - either staying in lanes when they shouldn't or lane swapping left and right to try and gain some advantage.
(Dunno whether they have lane hogging rules in those 3 countries by the way)
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...... and I also realised another sensible reason for staying in the middle lane. When it's very windy/blustery, it makes sense for a motorcyclist to remain in the centre of the middle lane to mitigate the danger of being blown left or right.
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post Mon, 27 Jan 2020 - 22:17
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When driving in France a few years ago, I noticed that they did similar to the Brits - sat in the right hand lane when not overtaking, but for some reason it seemed to work.


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