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stamfordman
post Mon, 11 Nov 2019 - 21:16
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One of our neighbours had his front and back plates stolen last night - my wife heard something but didn't see anything out the window.

He has reported it to the police but I've said there's no need to change the reg and to just get replacement plates, Is this best advice.
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QUOTE (stamfordman @ Mon, 18 Nov 2019 - 20:56) *
. Surely this would take them a few mins to find out via the DVLA.

Go on, explain how?


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post Mon, 18 Nov 2019 - 23:25
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Mon, 18 Nov 2019 - 22:56) *
QUOTE (stamfordman @ Mon, 18 Nov 2019 - 20:56) *
. Surely this would take them a few mins to find out via the DVLA.

Go on, explain how?


Can't they just ask who the keeper is? If it's a clone then they can rule out the real keeper.
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post Mon, 18 Nov 2019 - 23:27
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So how do they know if the registered keeper for that VRM was involved or if it was a clone by asking DVLA? How would DVLA know?

Besides the Police didn’t need to ask DVLA as they have the PNC.

I don’t think you thought that through.... at all?


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post Mon, 18 Nov 2019 - 23:37
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Yes, PNC - whatever. It must surely be easy to check the keeper of a vehicle reg. That's why I was puzzled by the police saying they didn't know. It's a serious crime and their main lead.
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post Mon, 18 Nov 2019 - 23:39
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And how is the RK details going to tell thenplod if it was them or someone else who robbed the house?? huh.gif
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post Mon, 18 Nov 2019 - 23:58
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Years back I managed to write off my car, 3rd party so sold it for spares... drivable but needed a new shell.
Guy came along, gave it a look over, paid me cash, wrote out details for the V5, drove it away.
I sent the green slip off, job done.
3 days later was woken at 5am by heavy knocking on the front door.
Plod, in reasonable force. Couple at the front door and at least one round the back.

Turned out that the car had been used in an armed robbery the night before.
And of course, my details still on the DVLA and PNC databases.
No issue once we'd had a chat and a coffee, they went off with the details I had, what happened from there, dunno.

I suspect that Stamford's RK will have a similar experience.
How loud the knocking and what force will depend on whther or not the RK is "known" to them.
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post Tue, 19 Nov 2019 - 09:17
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QUOTE (mickR @ Mon, 18 Nov 2019 - 23:39) *
And how is the RK details going to tell thenplod if it was them or someone else who robbed the house?? huh.gif


I don't understand what you're saying. Surely it's a lead that must be followed up, if only to eliminate someone from enquiries.


The exact quote from the story is:

"All the suspects have their faces concealed and are wearing dark clothing, but it hoped someone may recognise the vehicle which has the [registration] GU13FDV. It is unknown as to whether the vehicle was on false plates."

Surely the only facts are:

The car (stolen or not) had its plates retained
The car (stolen or not) had cloned or stolen plates
The car (stolen or not) had fake plates not assigned to another vehicle

So I can't see why the status of the plates can be unknown. They also know the car is a black Audi.

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post Tue, 19 Nov 2019 - 09:38
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The point is that you clearly said "Surely this would take them a few mins to find out via the DVLA" with respect to whether it was on cloned plates or not. Even replacing DVLA with PNC it was clearly rubbish, just knowing the RK details doesn't tell us whether its a car on cloned plates or not. Ill thought put and now clearly unsubstantiatable (as you've failed to do so) comment.


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post Tue, 19 Nov 2019 - 10:22
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 19 Nov 2019 - 09:38) *
just knowing the RK details doesn't tell us whether its a car on cloned plates or not.



That's what I don't get - in what scenario when following up the RK of the plate could you not determine if the plates were cloned?
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post Tue, 19 Nov 2019 - 17:17
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QUOTE (stamfordman @ Tue, 19 Nov 2019 - 10:22) *
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 19 Nov 2019 - 09:38) *
just knowing the RK details doesn't tell us whether its a car on cloned plates or not.



That's what I don't get - in what scenario when following up the RK of the plate could you not determine if the plates were cloned?

It wouldn't, it would be a necessary but not sufficient step.

In theory it should be very hard to drive around on false plates, because the only post-2001 road legal plates are the ones made by a licensed supplier, with the BS markings and the name and postcode of the supplier marked on them. The theory was that anyone driving around with show-plates would stand out like a saw thumb. Unfortunately as the police don't really care and have never bothered enforcing this properly, the system has never worked the way it was supposed to.


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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Tue, 19 Nov 2019 - 17:17) *
In theory it should be very hard to drive around on false plates, because the only post-2001 road legal plates are the ones made by a licensed supplier, with the BS markings and the name and postcode of the supplier marked on them. The theory was that anyone driving around with show-plates would stand out like a saw thumb.

How difficult would it be to add false BS markings etc to a show-plate if you were motivated to do so? Although the number of times I've seen dodgy plates in some areas (cough! Slough cough!) that have been "modified" with nothing more than bits of black tape suggests that nobody could be bothered. The fact is that numberplates are pathetically insecure as a means of identifying a vehicle.


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post Tue, 19 Nov 2019 - 18:22
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QUOTE (Fredd @ Tue, 19 Nov 2019 - 17:26) *
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Tue, 19 Nov 2019 - 17:17) *
In theory it should be very hard to drive around on false plates, because the only post-2001 road legal plates are the ones made by a licensed supplier, with the BS markings and the name and postcode of the supplier marked on them. The theory was that anyone driving around with show-plates would stand out like a saw thumb.

How difficult would it be to add false BS markings etc to a show-plate if you were motivated to do so? Although the number of times I've seen dodgy plates in some areas (cough! Slough cough!) that have been "modified" with nothing more than bits of black tape suggests that nobody could be bothered. The fact is that numberplates are pathetically insecure as a means of identifying a vehicle.

A lot of people would not be so motivated, assuming they even knew of the requirements. Of course you could take it one step further and prohibit the possession, ownership or manufacture of anything that reasonably resembles a number plate. Some will still try, but I imagine it's a lot harder to make a legit looking number plate from scratch than it is to buy one online.


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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Tue, 19 Nov 2019 - 17:17) *
the system has never worked the way it was supposed to.

The killer was you can get plates made up with a letter confirming you are a keeper of a company car, with logo's readily available on the 'net how hard do you think it is to make up a 'headed' letter?

Plus show plates will often use 'BS' components anyway. As with many things it had little impact on criminals and a bigger impact on the law abiding!


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post Wed, 20 Nov 2019 - 10:15
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Or even just nick them from someone else's car and only put them on yours when needing to fill up.
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QUOTE (stamfordman @ Tue, 19 Nov 2019 - 10:22) *
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 19 Nov 2019 - 09:38) *
just knowing the RK details doesn't tell us whether its a car on cloned plates or not.



That's what I don't get - in what scenario when following up the RK of the plate could you not determine if the plates were cloned?


I think the point he is trying to make that contacting the Registered Keeper, who responds with "wasn't me guv" doesn't necessarily mean that the car was on cloned plates. It could have been the same car and they're just not telling the truth.

We also don't know how long after the incident that police statement was made. Soon after the incident they may not have all the information.
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