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klx250s
post Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 09:35
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Wife winding you up? Neighbour keeps parking outside your house? Mother in law nagging you? Kids off the next street kicking footballs against your fence? Then just buy a ´driverless car´ and skittle them over then blame Johnny, the law commission has just come up with a proposal that redifines the ´driver´ as a user in charge but not legally accountable, just blame Johnny (if you know you know) cool.gif cool.gif cool.gif
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post Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 10:23
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QUOTE (klx250s @ Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 09:35) *
Wife winding you up? Neighbour keeps parking outside your house? Mother in law nagging you? Kids off the next street kicking footballs against your fence? Then just buy a ´driverless car´ and skittle them over then blame Johnny, the law commission has just come up with a proposal that redifines the ´driver´ as a user in charge but not legally accountable, just blame Johnny (if you know you know) cool.gif cool.gif cool.gif

I think you'll find that Johnny will keep a record of who drive when.....


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post Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 10:36
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QUOTE (klx250s @ Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 09:35) *
Wife winding you up? Neighbour keeps parking outside your house? Mother in law nagging you? Kids off the next street kicking footballs against your fence? Then just buy a ´driverless car´ and skittle them over then blame Johnny, the law commission has just come up with a proposal that redifines the ´driver´ as a user in charge but not legally accountable, just blame Johnny (if you know you know) cool.gif cool.gif cool.gif

And how would you 'skittle them over' in a driverless car?
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post Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 10:37
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 11:23) *
QUOTE (klx250s @ Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 09:35) *
Wife winding you up? Neighbour keeps parking outside your house? Mother in law nagging you? Kids off the next street kicking footballs against your fence? Then just buy a ´driverless car´ and skittle them over then blame Johnny, the law commission has just come up with a proposal that redifines the ´driver´ as a user in charge but not legally accountable, just blame Johnny (if you know you know) cool.gif cool.gif cool.gif

I think you'll find that Johnny will keep a record of who drive when.....


But that is the issue, you can be in the car in charge but not legally be liable if Johnny ´accidently´ swerves off the road laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 10:50
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QUOTE (klx250s @ Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 10:37) *
But that is the issue, you can be in the car in charge but not legally be liable if Johnny ´accidently´ swerves off the road laugh.gif laugh.gif

I'm assuming from the quotation marks that by 'accidentally' you mean 'under the control of the driver. If so, that doesn't count as being an autonomous vehicle and the driver will be liable.

It's all explained in the report you didn't read. This is not about 'driver support' systems like the ones currently employed in Tesla's. An autonomous vehicle is one where the occupants of the vehicle have no control over the car while it is in that mode. As long as it's possible to establish what mode the car was in at any given time (and that will certainly be a requirement if legal liability depends on it) then it won't be possible to 'skittle' anyone deliberately while the car is driving autonomously.
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post Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 11:01
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QUOTE (Spandex @ Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 11:50) *
QUOTE (klx250s @ Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 10:37) *
But that is the issue, you can be in the car in charge but not legally be liable if Johnny ´accidently´ swerves off the road laugh.gif laugh.gif

I'm assuming from the quotation marks that by 'accidentally' you mean 'under the control of the driver. If so, that doesn't count as being an autonomous vehicle and the driver will be liable.

It's all explained in the report you didn't read. This is not about 'driver support' systems like the ones currently employed in Tesla's. An autonomous vehicle is one where the occupants of the vehicle have no control over the car while it is in that mode. As long as it's possible to establish what mode the car was in at any given time (and that will certainly be a requirement if legal liability depends on it) then it won't be possible to 'skittle' anyone deliberately while the car is driving autonomously.



Holy fook you are one major killjoy aren´t you, if you couldn´t see that my comment was soooooo fkn obviously a tounge in cheek comment then fk knows what we can do to help you on here.
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post Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 11:15
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QUOTE (klx250s @ Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 11:01) *
Holy fook you are one major killjoy aren´t you, if you couldn´t see that my comment was soooooo fkn obviously a tounge in cheek comment then fk knows what we can do to help you on here.

If you mean where you suggested running the neighbours kids over, yes, I was aware that was tongue in cheek. If you mean the comment (which I replied to) where you said "But that is the issue, you can be in the car in charge but not legally be liable" then no, it wasn't obvious to me that it was a joke. Maybe you need to tweak the punchline?
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post Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 11:23
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QUOTE (Spandex @ Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 12:15) *
QUOTE (klx250s @ Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 11:01) *
Holy fook you are one major killjoy aren´t you, if you couldn´t see that my comment was soooooo fkn obviously a tounge in cheek comment then fk knows what we can do to help you on here.

If you mean where you suggested running the neighbours kids over, yes, I was aware that was tongue in cheek. If you mean the comment (which I replied to) where you said "But that is the issue, you can be in the car in charge but not legally be liable" then no, it wasn't obvious to me that it was a joke. Maybe you need to tweak the punchline?


It is not my punchline that needs tweaking.

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QUOTE (klx250s @ Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 11:23) *
It is not my punchline that needs tweaking.

Agreed.
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QUOTE (Spandex @ Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 12:28) *
QUOTE (klx250s @ Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 11:23) *
It is not my punchline that needs tweaking.

Agreed.



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post Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 11:46
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QUOTE (klx250s @ Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 11:37) *
Shows us on the doll Spankdix where the nasty man touched you laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

That's better! Use other peoples lines! Give yourself a fighting chance of being funny...
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post Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 11:48
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QUOTE (Spandex @ Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 12:46) *
QUOTE (klx250s @ Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 11:37) *
Shows us on the doll Spankdix where the nasty man touched you laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

That's better! Use other peoples lines! Give yourself a fighting chance of being funny...



What makes you think I wasn´t the original author of such a witty phrase?
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post Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 11:56
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QUOTE (klx250s @ Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 11:48) *
What makes you think I wasn´t the original author

This.
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post Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 12:03
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QUOTE (Spandex @ Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 12:56) *
QUOTE (klx250s @ Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 11:48) *
What makes you think I wasn´t the original author

This.
QUOTE (klx250s @ Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 11:48) *
witty phrase




A person is talented only when he has the talent to express his talent.

So Spankdix what are you talented in other than trying to appear erudite on an internet webpage laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

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Given the woeful inability of tech companies to implement secure systems, I can easily see a new way for murder by hire. Just pay some techy in foreign parts to hack the car and drive it into the Mother-in-Law (or other target).
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post Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 12:25
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QUOTE (Tarantula @ Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 13:10) *
Given the woeful inability of tech companies to implement secure systems, I can easily see a new way for murder by hire. Just pay some techy in foreign parts to hack the car and drive it into the Mother-in-Law (or other target).



Exactly, when Joe Bloggs can buy off EBay a box of magic for 8 quid that lets him drive away in a 70 grand motor in 5 seconds, pretty sure a hacker could remotely drive the vehicle over your nagging missis.

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If Boeing's experience with fly by wire on 737s is anything to go by, will not need a hacker from the dark side, chances are the driverless car will take it into its own head to attach someone anyway.
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post Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 14:31
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 14:46) *
If Boeing's experience with fly by wire on 737s is anything to go by, will not need a hacker from the dark side, chances are the driverless car will take it into its own head to attach someone anyway.



Let's hope the history books show the first death by a murderous car is S,,,,,x lol
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post Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 15:22
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The Law Commissions report also recommends making it a specific offence to interfere with the software or sensors on these cars. Unless they can be hacked in a way that’s completely invisible (unlikely, given that they’re effectively a closed system - easy to just check the hash on the firmware) then it’s going to be obvious you’ve done something, even if it’s not obvious what.

And there are easier ways to kill someone.
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post Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 16:21
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QUOTE (Spandex @ Wed, 26 Jan 2022 - 16:22) *
The Law Commissions report also recommends making it a specific offence to interfere with the software or sensors on these cars. Unless they can be hacked in a way that’s completely invisible (unlikely, given that they’re effectively a closed system - easy to just check the hash on the firmware) then it’s going to be obvious you’ve done something, even if it’s not obvious what.

And there are easier ways to kill someone.



Do you have 7 anoraks each with a different day of the week sewn into the collar? I won't ask if you have a collection of tartan thermos flasks. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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