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Kay Green PI
post Thu, 19 Apr 2018 - 23:01
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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - February 2018
Date of the NIP: - 66 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 68 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A565 Southport New rOAD
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? - trade plate driver
How many current points do you have? - 0
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - returning home after collecting vehicle from Scotland

NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - No
Is the NIP addressed to you personally? - Yes
Although you are not the Registered Keeper, were you the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - No
As you were not responsible for the vehicle, somebody else has named you as the driver. Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
  • The law requires you to provide the information requested in the Section 172 notice within the 28 day period, naming yourself as the driver. If you are considering obtaining formal legal advice, do so before returning the notice.

    You should note that there is nothing to be gained by responding any earlier than you have to at any stage of the process. You are likely to receive a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP) and further reminder(s). If you want to continue the fight, you should ignore all correspondence from the police until you receive a summons. You need to understand from the outset that while you will receive much help and support from members on the forums, you will need to put time and effort into fighting your case and ultimately be prepared to stand up in court to defend yourself.

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post Thu, 19 Apr 2018 - 23:20
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So what happened?

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The Rookie
post Fri, 20 Apr 2018 - 11:26
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Alleged speed and limit?


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Kay Green PI
post Sun, 6 May 2018 - 05:53
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I'm a trade plate driver. I do remember bringing a car from Scotland that day and that it was the end of a 12 hour day, so yes I was the driver. Didn't think I was speeding too much but as it was so long ago might have been if the cameras are accurate, so cannot be certain I wasn't. 58 in a 50 limit on a dual carriageway where the speed limit has been recently reduced from 70 and average speed cameras installed. Usually I try to keep below the radar, but I was tired and just wanted to get home so it is possible that I may have put my foot down a little bit too hard and fell right into their trap, losing a hard earned days pay and more in the process. Cannot really afford either the fine or a course, but is there any alternative to just taking it on the chin?
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Dwaynedouglas
post Sun, 6 May 2018 - 07:09
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QUOTE (Kay Green PI @ Sun, 6 May 2018 - 06:53) *
... is there any alternative to just taking it on the chin?


It doesn’t look like it based on what information we have here.

Unless you’ve done a course in the last three years, 58 in a 50 should see you eligible.

It’s about £100 and a day of your life.


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Kay Green PI
post Sun, 6 May 2018 - 07:23
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There is a slight possibility before I send the form back. The letter is addressed to me but the details are not completely correct (my middle name is missing). I have to notify them of this I realise. I did a course in June 2015, so if I can delay slightly and not do anything illegal (i.e. simply complete the form properly without lying) then is there a chance they will send me another form after receiving the initial NIP? I wish to try and get it outside the 3 year period if I can. Is there any hope of doing this? Should I put my driving licence number on section A of the form?
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post Sun, 6 May 2018 - 07:55
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Middle name is irrelevant but it's the date of the offence that matters so you can't delay it anyway...


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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Kay Green PI
post Sun, 6 May 2018 - 08:11
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Looks like I'm rapidly losing all hope, but thanks guys for looking for me. Not your fault, it's those money-grabbing bastards I know!

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post Mon, 7 May 2018 - 00:20
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To clarify it is the date of the offence for the last offence as well, so there needs to be 3 years between the two offences, the date you did the course is not relevant.


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