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kev of cov
post Sun, 11 Mar 2018 - 14:47
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Our local council have erected 'average speed camera' signs. There are no such cameras and in a reply to an email they confirmed this. Do I recall reading somewhere that road signs erected should not mislead motorists?
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post Sun, 11 Mar 2018 - 14:50
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Do you also recall reading something about not posting random trivial questions not relating to an active case in an active case forum?


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kev of cov
post Sun, 11 Mar 2018 - 15:04
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The forum about speeding seemed the best place. I considered the Flame pit but it is for 'topics that dont belong anywhere else'

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post Sun, 11 Mar 2018 - 15:11
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QUOTE (kev of cov @ Sun, 11 Mar 2018 - 15:04) *
The forum about speeding seemed the best place. I considered the Flame pit but it is for 'topics that dont belong anywhere else'

You missed the part in the Speeding forum description that says "The place to ask for help in cases involving speeding or other criminal motoring offences" then?


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post Sun, 11 Mar 2018 - 15:12
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QUOTE (kev of cov @ Sun, 11 Mar 2018 - 15:04) *
............... I considered the Flame pit but it is for 'topics that dont belong anywhere else'


Seems about right.

What is misleading about stating there are average speed cameras?
Might make people slow down to below the speed limit.
And stop those that don't moaning when they find a camera van parked.


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kev of cov
post Sun, 11 Mar 2018 - 15:16
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Nope, I’ve looked again and considered

Technical Discussion of Enforcement Devices
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but these forums don’t seen correct either.
I’m happy to be told the correct place – but maybe without the sarcasm please?
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post Sun, 11 Mar 2018 - 15:26
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QUOTE (kev of cov @ Sun, 11 Mar 2018 - 15:16) *
I’m happy to be told the correct place


It's here, where it belongs.

It can't go in the Speeding forum since your query does not relate to a case of speeding or other criminal offence:

Speeding and other Criminal Offences
The place to ask for help in cases involving speeding or other criminal motoring offences, Fixed Penalty Notices (FPNs) and DVLA cases

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post Sun, 11 Mar 2018 - 15:33
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Thank you Peter.
I believed that I had placed it in the Speeding and other Criminal Offences.

I can now see where I went wrong.
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post Sun, 11 Mar 2018 - 16:22
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You had, it was moved from that wrong place to this right place by a moderator.


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QUOTE (kev of cov @ Sun, 11 Mar 2018 - 14:47) *
Our local council have erected 'average speed camera' signs. There are no such cameras and in a reply to an email they confirmed this. Do I recall reading somewhere that road signs erected should not mislead motorists?

Why don't you make a formal complaint to the council and see what they say?


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Maybe they are going to erect the cameras. but the signage contractor got there before the camera contractor?
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post Wed, 4 Apr 2018 - 14:31
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There are loads of examples on Britain's roads of signs warning of speed cameras where none exist. On the A34 between Basingstoke & Reading they have been there for at least 20-30 years.


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post Wed, 4 Apr 2018 - 15:08
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QUOTE (nigelbb @ Wed, 4 Apr 2018 - 15:31) *
There are loads of examples on Britain's roads of signs warning of speed cameras where none exist. On the A34 between Basingstoke & Reading they have been there for at least 20-30 years.


Average speed cameras as OP refers to, or just speed cameras?


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It's just speed camera signs and it's the A33 not the A34.

Example

There are no fixed cameras here but mobile units are known to operate on this stretch.

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post Wed, 4 Apr 2018 - 15:35
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let's start a campaign to "remove all speed camera signs"
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post Wed, 4 Apr 2018 - 15:38
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QUOTE (122basy @ Wed, 4 Apr 2018 - 16:35) *
let's start a campaign to "remove all speed camera signs"

It's almost as if there's a system in place to tell drivers what the prevailing limit is already. I'm not sure what value speed camera signs add...?


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QUOTE (Jlc @ Wed, 4 Apr 2018 - 16:38) *
QUOTE (122basy @ Wed, 4 Apr 2018 - 16:35) *
let's start a campaign to "remove all speed camera signs"

It's almost as if there's a system in place to tell drivers what the prevailing limit is already. I'm not sure what value speed camera signs add...?

Well some woudl say they inform drivers "where to slow down and observe the speed limit"

The alternative is "They tell drivers where they do not need to slow down and observe the speed limit and hence tell drivers where they can speed"

I can't see any other use or purpose.
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post Wed, 4 Apr 2018 - 17:27
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QUOTE (122basy @ Wed, 4 Apr 2018 - 17:14) *
QUOTE (Jlc @ Wed, 4 Apr 2018 - 16:38) *
QUOTE (122basy @ Wed, 4 Apr 2018 - 16:35) *
let's start a campaign to "remove all speed camera signs"

It's almost as if there's a system in place to tell drivers what the prevailing limit is already. I'm not sure what value speed camera signs add...?

Well some woudl say they inform drivers "where to slow down and observe the speed limit"

The alternative is "They tell drivers where they do not need to slow down and observe the speed limit and hence tell drivers where they can speed"

I can't see any other use or purpose.

I suspect it's a residual echo of the notion of "policing by consent" - you may have heard of it.


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