Wrong Contravention Code, Sign not clear for time restricted no left turn |
Wrong Contravention Code, Sign not clear for time restricted no left turn |
Sat, 15 Sep 2018 - 15:04
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 15 Sep 2018 Member No.: 99,899 |
Hello all,
I've received a PCN with contravention code: 50R for turning left into dryburgh road from Upper Richmond Road in Putney. I commute from Surrey to Putney and new to this area. When I was travelling on the upper Richmond road, my gps showed me to turn left on dryburgh road and there was this inclined electronic display for no entry in the corner of dryburgh road. I hesitated for a minute, but there was no clear sign of time restriction on the electronic display and since it was inclined to certain degree, it was not clear which turn it was for. Only after receiving PCN and some research, I came to know about the no left turn entry sign with time restriction which seemed to be set far back on the upper Richmond road looking at the google maps. In my opinion, this sign should have been closer to the corner of dryburgh road. Is it worth appealing on the basis that the signs were not clear or for wrong contravention code 50R instead of 50L? |
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Sat, 15 Sep 2018 - 15:26
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Member Group: Members Posts: 26,655 Joined: 6 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,048 |
Post the document redact only personal details, we need dates times location and contravention in full
-------------------- All advice is given freely. It is given without guarantee and responsibility for its use rests with the user
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Sun, 16 Sep 2018 - 13:35
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Post the document redact only personal details, we need dates times location and contravention in full +1, without seeing the PCN we can't really help. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Tue, 18 Sep 2018 - 12:24
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 15 Sep 2018 Member No.: 99,899 |
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Tue, 18 Sep 2018 - 18:43
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
upload the remaining pages, if you run out of space use imgur.com and post a link. Also give us a link to the location on Google Street View. If the images on Google Street View are out of date, you will need to take pictures of the signs.
In the meantime call TFL and ask for the video, they will put the case on hold and send it on a DVD. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Wed, 19 Sep 2018 - 12:55
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 15 Sep 2018 Member No.: 99,899 |
Hi
Thanks so much for you reply. other pages are generic one how to represent and other one how to pay. Google street view long before the left turn Long before the left turn to dryburgh road Dryburgh road turning |
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Wed, 19 Sep 2018 - 16:49
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Member Group: Members Posts: 26,655 Joined: 6 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,048 |
QUOTE other pages are generic one how to represent and other one how to pay. And are the all correct? do you know. If we saw them we would -------------------- All advice is given freely. It is given without guarantee and responsibility for its use rests with the user
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Thu, 20 Sep 2018 - 10:15
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 15 Sep 2018 Member No.: 99,899 |
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Mon, 24 Sep 2018 - 12:43
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 15 Sep 2018 Member No.: 99,899 |
Hi
Anyone here can help if is it worth appealing because of the wrong contravention code 50R instead of 50L? Thanks |
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Mon, 24 Sep 2018 - 13:11
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Member Group: Members Posts: 26,655 Joined: 6 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,048 |
Dear Mr parking
I make representations against the imposition of PCN number xxxxxxxxxx on the basis that the cited contravention of a prescribed order did not occur. The enforcing regulations The London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003 at regulation 4(8) lists all the mandatory information that must be contained within a PCN. At 4(8)(a)(i) the PCN must state " the grounds on which the council or, as the case may be, Transport for London believe that the penalty charge is payable with respect to the vehicle;" This PCN states contravention code 50R (this code carries no legal weight. The PCN then goes on to cite the contravention description for which a penalty is demanded this being Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn). Examination of the CCTV recording confirms that I did not perform the cited right turn. As such the contravention did not occur and no penalty is due. I look forward to confirmation of cancelation at your soonest convenience regards -------------------- All advice is given freely. It is given without guarantee and responsibility for its use rests with the user
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Mon, 24 Sep 2018 - 19:31
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Dear Mr parking I make representations against the imposition of PCN number xxxxxxxxxx on the basis that the cited contravention of a prescribed order did not occur. The enforcing regulations The London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003 at regulation 4(8) lists all the mandatory information that must be contained within a PCN. At 4(8)(a)(i) the PCN must state " the grounds on which the council or, as the case may be, Transport for London believe that the penalty charge is payable with respect to the vehicle;" This PCN states contravention code 50R (this code carries no legal weight. The PCN then goes on to cite the contravention description for which a penalty is demanded this being Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn). Examination of the CCTV recording confirms that I did not perform the cited right turn. As such the contravention did not occur and no penalty is due. I look forward to confirmation of cancellation at your soonest convenience regards FTFY, but +1, a contravention might well have occurred, but the contravention alleged on the PCN clearly did not. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Tue, 25 Sep 2018 - 19:58
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 15 Sep 2018 Member No.: 99,899 |
Thanks for your guidance. I've just filed the petition and I'll let you know the outcome.
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Tue, 16 Oct 2018 - 14:26
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 15 Sep 2018 Member No.: 99,899 |
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Tue, 16 Oct 2018 - 14:54
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,816 Joined: 20 Dec 2008 Member No.: 24,962 |
Your first mistake was relying on GPS (SatNav) and not using your Mk1 eyeball.
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Tue, 16 Oct 2018 - 15:20
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Member Group: Members Posts: 26,655 Joined: 6 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,048 |
Have you got the video?
They maintain you made a right turn. If they cannot evidence this they lose, -------------------- All advice is given freely. It is given without guarantee and responsibility for its use rests with the user
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Tue, 16 Oct 2018 - 18:17
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Get hold of the video.
-------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Thu, 18 Oct 2018 - 16:48
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 15 Sep 2018 Member No.: 99,899 |
Yes I do missed the temporary time limit sign board which was behind the speed camera...
but they repeatedly saying that I did right turn. When the specified road was on my left hand side... I will try to get the video... if it is clear that I did left turn do I still have a chance to win this in my further appeal? |
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Thu, 18 Oct 2018 - 17:47
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Member Group: Members Posts: 26,655 Joined: 6 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,048 |
Yes I do missed the temporary time limit sign board which was behind the speed camera... but they repeatedly saying that I did right turn. When the specified road was on my left hand side... I will try to get the video... if it is clear that I did left turn do I still have a chance to win this in my further appeal? If you turned left, the only way you could lose would be a complete disregard for the regulations by the adjudicator -------------------- All advice is given freely. It is given without guarantee and responsibility for its use rests with the user
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Fri, 19 Oct 2018 - 08:51
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 15 Sep 2018 Member No.: 99,899 |
Thanks very much for your reply(s).
I already requested for the footage... You people have a lot of experience in this, so like to know your opinion whether it worth appealing or to pay it? |
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Fri, 19 Oct 2018 - 10:53
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Member Group: Members Posts: 972 Joined: 25 Jul 2010 Member No.: 39,245 |
If the video footage shows you actually turned right after all and not left then probably pay it if the discount is still available.
If you did actually turn left then appeal. |
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