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post Thu, 21 Jan 2010 - 16:36
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Hello.

I have just been released on bail and charged for drink driving and failing to stop and report an accident as my car hit a post.

I would like advice as i wasnt the the driver. My spare keys where stolen from the kitchen side after i left the house to take a walk as i left the back door wide open.

I was arrested in the street after having had a few drinks. I fittined the discription of a man at the scene wearing white trouser and a dark hooded top where my car had hit a post (the witness was an OAP and doesnt want to come forward).

I was wearing light denim shorts and a dark hooded top and a hat!

The police have charged me for the above as i had my car keys on me (like i always do,with other keys on the same keyring such as house keys).

The police also said there sniffer dog followed me scent from the car to me but i didnt see any dog.
Even if there was a dog is it enough to stand up in court?

I was arrested not far from where my car had been found and i wasnt far from home.

I this enough to send me to prison as this is all the evidence they have?

Also i have been banned twice before and held my hands up.

Any help would be greatfull...
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post Thu, 21 Jan 2010 - 16:42
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did you tell the police about the theft of your keys during your arrest


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post Thu, 21 Jan 2010 - 16:45
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Were the other keys still in the car after the crash?

If not then the police may wonder why a car thief would bother to take them out of the ignition before fleeing the scene.

It may help if can can provide witnesses to your walk


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post Thu, 21 Jan 2010 - 16:56
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QUOTE (LiquidImage @ Thu, 21 Jan 2010 - 16:36) *
The police also said there sniffer dog followed me scent from the car to me but i didnt see any dog.

Even if there was a dog is it enough to stand up in court?


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post Thu, 21 Jan 2010 - 16:58
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QUOTE (jobo @ Thu, 21 Jan 2010 - 16:42) *
did you tell the police about the theft of your keys during your arrest


No i didnt as i did not know the keys and car had been taken as it was taking while i was away from home walking....
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QUOTE (LiquidImage @ Thu, 21 Jan 2010 - 16:58) *
QUOTE (jobo @ Thu, 21 Jan 2010 - 16:42) *
did you tell the police about the theft of your keys during your arrest


No i didnt as i did not know the keys and car had been taken as it was taking while i was away from home walking....


well have you reported the burglary, now you know


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Have you any witnesses to where you had been?


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QUOTE (jimster @ Thu, 21 Jan 2010 - 16:45) *
Were the other keys still in the car after the crash?

If not then the police may wonder why a car thief would bother to take them out of the ignition before fleeing the scene.

It may help if can can provide witnesses to your walk

The spares where nowhere to be found. If the thief took them with him maybe he was planning coming back for it or something?

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QUOTE (jobo @ Thu, 21 Jan 2010 - 16:42) *
did you tell the police about the theft of your keys during your arrest


No i didnt as i did not know the keys and car had been taken as it was taking while i was away from home walking....


well have you reported the burglary, now you know


no i havent as i thought that the police would assume after telling them my side of the story. should i?

QUOTE (PRg @ Thu, 21 Jan 2010 - 17:00) *
Have you any witnesses to where you had been?


non what so ever as it was late at night. it was bed time but i dont sleep. i take meds to help me sleep but rarely does and a drink and a walk helps.
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Yes if its true, coz thats the first question you will be asked in court

if its not true, you are heading down the road of perverting justice and is not a good idea


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QUOTE (jobo @ Thu, 21 Jan 2010 - 17:07) *
Yes if its true, coz thats the first question you will be asked in court

if its not true, you are heading down the road of perverting justice and is not a good idea


So your saying i should call the police now and report my keys and car stolen?

I didnt know about the car been stolen untill i was arrested and they told me about what happend to my car then the day after about my spare keys when the police went to my parents house and asked about the spare keys going missing
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post Thu, 21 Jan 2010 - 17:19
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Was if in abuilt up area? You may have walked past some pubs or shops with CCTV outside?


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post Thu, 21 Jan 2010 - 17:25
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How close to the car were you when arrested?

Were you walking homewards or had you just started walking?

Was the car facing your house when it crashed?

The last question is relevant as the police may suggest that you were driving home at the time

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QUOTE (PRg @ Thu, 21 Jan 2010 - 17:19) *
Was if in abuilt up area? You may have walked past some pubs or shops with CCTV outside?


nope nothing. am i screwed for having my car nicked?

QUOTE (jimster @ Thu, 21 Jan 2010 - 17:25) *
How close to the car were you when arrested?

Were you walking homewards or had you just started walking?

Was the car facing your house when it crashed?

The last question is relevant as the police may suggest that you were driving home at the time


about half a mile away from the car i think and yes i was walking towards home and the direction of the car is something i dont know!

Am i totaly screwed?
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post Thu, 21 Jan 2010 - 17:31
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Possibly the most important bit would be whether they knew you were the owner when they arrested you on the street. If they stopped you before they even knew you were the owner then the circumstantial evidence is rather strong - description, dog trace, timing, location, etc, combine that with possession of keys and there is a lot of evidence to suggest you were in fact the driver
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post Thu, 21 Jan 2010 - 17:41
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CCTV seems the best route, likelihood is you would have walked past some CCTV.

http://www.cctv-information.co.uk/i/The_Da...y_Data_Subjects
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QUOTE (2020Hindsight @ Thu, 21 Jan 2010 - 17:31) *
Possibly the most important bit would be whether they knew you were the owner when they arrested you on the street. If they stopped you before they even knew you were the owner then the circumstantial evidence is rather strong - description, dog trace, timing, location, etc, combine that with possession of keys and there is a lot of evidence to suggest you were in fact the driver


i didnt say who i was when i was arrested so no they didnt! and where they arrested me was just a 4 min walk from my house as i wouldnt wonder fare late at night so would that make a difference to how close i was?
Also my cars brakes are broke so the thief couldnt of got far from my house anyway.Its unsafe.

i had used a couple of taxis that night. would that help me?
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post Thu, 21 Jan 2010 - 17:52
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QUOTE (2020Hindsight @ Thu, 21 Jan 2010 - 17:31) *
Possibly the most important bit would be whether they knew you were the owner when they arrested you on the street. If they stopped you before they even knew you were the owner then the circumstantial evidence is rather strong - description, dog trace, timing, location, etc, combine that with possession of keys and there is a lot of evidence to suggest you were in fact the driver

Agreed - coupled with the responses given by the OP to police questioning at the scene. I'd doubt that he was arrested solely on the basis of the dog track unless, of course, the track led to a thicket of nettles and brambles the OP just happened to be walking through at the same time. Without wishing to doubt the OP there seems to be a lot more to this story than meets the eye.


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How did the Police end up at you?

I thought when they find an abandoned car they got to the owners house?



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May be not enough to convict but enough circumstantial to arrest you.
Do you know if the Police fingerprinted the car after the crash?
How long after the crash did they arrest you? When did they get the call?
How come a dog handler attended?

CCTV can be 2 edged if there's footage of the crash.
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QUOTE (Hotel Oscar 87 @ Thu, 21 Jan 2010 - 17:52) *
QUOTE (2020Hindsight @ Thu, 21 Jan 2010 - 17:31) *
Possibly the most important bit would be whether they knew you were the owner when they arrested you on the street. If they stopped you before they even knew you were the owner then the circumstantial evidence is rather strong - description, dog trace, timing, location, etc, combine that with possession of keys and there is a lot of evidence to suggest you were in fact the driver

Agreed - coupled with the responses given by the OP to police questioning at the scene. I'd doubt that he was arrested solely on the basis of the dog track unless, of course, the track led to a thicket of nettles and brambles the OP just happened to be walking through at the same time. Without wishing to doubt the OP there seems to be a lot more to this story than meets the eye.


Im not sure i fully understand what your saying. sorry. could you explain please?
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