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Pcn issued to a hackney carriage
Nozzlenii
post Mon, 22 Jul 2019 - 19:59
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Hi

Im a licensed hackney carriage driver. I was issued a pcn via the post for a contravention that has been stated as the following

Vehicle parked more than 50 centimetres from the edge of the carriageway and not within a designated parking space

I would like advise as to how best to tackle this issue as i intend to appeal in the next 48hrs. I dont believe this contravention occurred as never parked i stoped to let a passenger out on their request i didnt even notice the presence of the warden until after i drove off. Im a hackney carriage driver how am i suppose to do my job if i cant drop passengers off.

Further more the time of the contravention was 00.59 it was a dead end street and i caused no obstruction to any traffic

Is the worth appealing all help will be greatly appreciated

Thanks in advance
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stamfordman
post Mon, 22 Jul 2019 - 20:12
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Any pics on council site? probably not. Sounds ridiculous - how long where you stopped? Boarding/alighting as an exemption.

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post Mon, 22 Jul 2019 - 22:04
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Obviously Manchester CC are desperate for money !

However, whilst you are cross at getting this PCN, a few things do come to mind. The PCN has to be issued by hand to driver or vehicle, so you must have been stopped there for enough time for a CEO to see you parked and to produce and serve a PCN. So it seems it was not just a simple board/alight of a passenger. You really do need to tell us more about the circumstances so we can see if a credible appeal case can be put together. Be in no doubt, the council will bat away all representations as they keep the money if you pay-up. You must have a robust case to take to the adjudicators. The PCN penalty remains the same, there are no extra costs, but you lose the discount option.
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post Mon, 22 Jul 2019 - 22:35
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MCC have form for this sort of thing. A taxi immobilised after an accident, a taxi when stopped by a police officer and council official for license check.

Write a simple challenge you stopped to allow a fare paying passenger to alight, if you can show proof of a booking all the better



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post Mon, 22 Jul 2019 - 22:59
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Being served by post just shows their shear desperation for getting the cash rolling in, but much more narrative is needed to give meaningful advice.

OP, over to you !
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Nozzlenii
post Tue, 23 Jul 2019 - 11:37
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Hi thanks for the replies i was only stopped for about 20-30secs maximum

I can only assume the warden noted my number and issued the pcn after i left

No pictures of the alleged contravention as far as im aware
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post Tue, 23 Jul 2019 - 12:27
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QUOTE (Nozzlenii @ Tue, 23 Jul 2019 - 12:37) *
Hi thanks for the replies i was only stopped for about 20-30secs maximum

I can only assume the warden noted my number and issued the pcn after i left

No pictures of the alleged contravention as far as im aware


go online and check

QUOTE (Nozzlenii @ Tue, 23 Jul 2019 - 12:37) *
Hi thanks for the replies i was only stopped for about 20-30secs maximum

I can only assume the warden noted my number and issued the pcn after i left

No pictures of the alleged contravention as far as im aware



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post Wed, 24 Jul 2019 - 11:50
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Ive looked online theres 2 images one is taken whilst i was doing a u turn as the street was closed and another as i drove off
Would it help if i uploaded them?

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post Wed, 24 Jul 2019 - 14:48
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QUOTE (Nozzlenii @ Wed, 24 Jul 2019 - 12:50) *
Ive looked online theres 2 images one is taken whilst i was doing a u turn as the street was closed and another as i drove off
Would it help if i uploaded them?


yes as they probably have times on which can help your case.
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Nozzlenii
post Wed, 24 Jul 2019 - 15:34
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Thanks ive attached the pics
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post Wed, 24 Jul 2019 - 15:50
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Well the pics are timed at 00:28 and the PCN at 00:59...

Think they having a laugh here issuing to a taxi.
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post Wed, 24 Jul 2019 - 16:02
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Not an expert but I thought that this is quite funny and desperate at the same time. Issuing a PCN to a taxi dropping someone off...
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post Wed, 24 Jul 2019 - 21:28
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They behave badly like this because it is a money-making game and most times will get the PCN paid. As well as this, there are no penalties on them for so acting.
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Nozzlenii
post Wed, 24 Jul 2019 - 22:00
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Most taxi drivers are just looking to make an honest hassle free living and manchester city council constantly target them because 9/10times the driver just pays up

Im going to put my appeal in tomorrow hopefully should i mention the massive discrepancy in the tome of the pics and the pcn. Do the warden video record the issuing of pcns? I would love to see a visual of this as i was there a matter of seconds infact he didnt even have time to take a pic of my vehicle stationary hes got pictures of a moving vehicle
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post Thu, 25 Jul 2019 - 10:33
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QUOTE (Incandescent @ Wed, 24 Jul 2019 - 22:28) *
They behave badly like this because it is a money-making game and most times will get the PCN paid. As well as this, there are no penalties on them for so acting.


If everything that OP says is correct then this does look a lot like an abuse of power. Surely there must be some sort of disciplinary action the council could take against the CEO? It's not right trying to make revenue in unscrupulous ways. Shame on you Manchester Council.
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post Thu, 25 Jul 2019 - 11:11
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Any other pics? How long did you stop for?
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post Thu, 25 Jul 2019 - 14:55
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QUOTE (BQ68 @ Thu, 25 Jul 2019 - 12:11) *
Any other pics? How long did you stop for?



Info is in the thread.

Did you see my note about how you got that Tower Hamlet's video?
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post Thu, 25 Jul 2019 - 15:01
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post your challenge here before you send let us check it over


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Nozzlenii
post Thu, 25 Jul 2019 - 15:29
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I will write out an appeal and post it on here by tonight or hopefully by tomorrow morning.

Does anybody know if its possible for me to request cctv from the council as it will confirm what im saying is true. The customer asked to be dropped off at this point and even in the pictures you can clearly see the bollards which means i couldn't go any further further.
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post Thu, 25 Jul 2019 - 16:16
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CCTV from what?

There's no way you'll be losing this one - just draft a simple challenge and we'll tweak it.
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