[NIP Wizard] NIP RECEIVED NOT A CLUE WHAT FOR BUT IS BLANK ON THE REAR |
[NIP Wizard] NIP RECEIVED NOT A CLUE WHAT FOR BUT IS BLANK ON THE REAR |
Sat, 13 Oct 2018 - 17:03
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 13 Oct 2018 Member No.: 100,378 |
NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? - Date of the offence: - October 2018 Date of the NIP: - 3 days after the offence Date you received the NIP: - 5 days after the offence Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - CHURCH STREET ORRELL Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? - How many current points do you have? - 0 Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - NIP SAYS WITHOUT REASONABLE CONSIDERATION TO OTHER USERS NIP Wizard Responses These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation: Have you received a NIP? - Yes Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes Were you driving? - Yes Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England NIP Wizard Recommendation Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Sat, 13 Oct 2018 16:56:33 +0000 Hello was wondering why i have been sent a NIP which is completely blank on the back as it says please complete the required sections overleaf in BLACK INK using CAPITAL LETTERS but its completely blank can anybody offer any advice please/ |
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Sat, 13 Oct 2018 - 17:29
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Member Group: Members Posts: 349 Joined: 21 Apr 2016 Member No.: 83,881 |
Sounds like a page is missing, did you just get the one sheet?
Also are you sure it's from Lancs Police? The location given is on GMP. -------------------- If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
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Sat, 13 Oct 2018 - 17:53
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 13 Oct 2018 Member No.: 100,378 |
There are 2 church streets within half a mile of where i live but the one i use is in west lancs but its been sent from central tick office hyde but i have The NIP which is blank on the back and a sheet that says information regarding the enclosed section 172 notice but how can i fill out my details and whats the best way to go about this would you write a letter stating this and return the documents
I have no recollection of anything there was no accidents etc so what could this be for if its someone on a dash cam could you ask to see any evidence |
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Sat, 13 Oct 2018 - 18:07
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Member Group: Members Posts: 349 Joined: 21 Apr 2016 Member No.: 83,881 |
Ok. So the request has come from GMP and you have the sheet to put your details on.
You need to respond regardless of if you agree with the allegation or not. If you don't you will commit an offence. After Police receive your reply they will decide what they are going to do, nothing for you to do but wait and see. -------------------- If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
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Sat, 13 Oct 2018 - 18:12
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 13 Oct 2018 Member No.: 100,378 |
Hi thanks for your reply i don,t have anything to put my details on do i write a letter stating i am the keeper and the driver of the vehicle
at the time of the alleged |
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Sat, 13 Oct 2018 - 18:12
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,585 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
Tailgating, undertaking, lane hogging are usually pursued under that description.
-------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Sat, 13 Oct 2018 - 18:19
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Member Group: Members Posts: 349 Joined: 21 Apr 2016 Member No.: 83,881 |
Hi thanks for your reply i don,t have anything to put my details on do i write a letter stating i am the keeper and the driver of the vehicle at the time of the alleged Sorry, I must have misinterpreted what you put. Nothing to stop you replying by letter however I would be mindful not to supply any more info than is required by the legislation. It may be better to call the CTO and get the missing sheet sent out. -------------------- If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
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Sat, 13 Oct 2018 - 18:21
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 13 Oct 2018 Member No.: 100,378 |
Ok thanks but my main question is do i just return the NIP with a letter stating that where its says please fill in section A there is no section A its just blank on the back.
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Sat, 13 Oct 2018 - 18:30
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Member Group: Members Posts: 349 Joined: 21 Apr 2016 Member No.: 83,881 |
You could, and will likely receive another form through in due course.
I would just phone them but it's up to you. -------------------- If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
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Sat, 13 Oct 2018 - 18:30
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,261 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
No, easiest to ring them, explain the problem and ask them to send you the form they would like you to fill in.
This post has been edited by The Rookie: Sat, 13 Oct 2018 - 18:32 -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
S172's Rookies 1-0 Kent Council PCN's Rookies 1-0 Warwick Rookies 1-0 Birmingham PPC PCN's Rookies 10-0 PPC's |
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Sat, 13 Oct 2018 - 18:33
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,585 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
If the request is substantive then you can either ask them to provide the missing form or simply provide the required details (signed) on your own letter.
‘Ignoring’ or not providing the details will end up at court for failing to furnish. I wouldn’t bet on the missing form as a good defence. Personally I’d call and see if they’ll divulge any details of the allegation... -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Sat, 13 Oct 2018 - 18:59
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Member Group: Life Member Posts: 24,220 Joined: 9 Sep 2004 From: Reading Member No.: 1,624 |
You have an 'incomplete' notice that may or may not constitute a legal requirement to provide information. We cannot see your notice and cannot determine what if anything you are legally obliged to do.
-------------------- Andy
Some people think that I make them feel stupid. To be fair, they deserve most of the credit. |
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Sat, 13 Oct 2018 - 19:22
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,585 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
Would be a good idea to post a redacted scan of the notice.
-------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Sun, 14 Oct 2018 - 14:21
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 13 Oct 2018 Member No.: 100,378 |
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Sun, 14 Oct 2018 - 14:36
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,585 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
Can we see everything (with only your personal details redacted)?
-------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Sun, 14 Oct 2018 - 14:38
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Member Group: Life Member Posts: 24,220 Joined: 9 Sep 2004 From: Reading Member No.: 1,624 |
Strangely enough, most of us know what a blank page looks like without having to see a picture.
-------------------- Andy
Some people think that I make them feel stupid. To be fair, they deserve most of the credit. |
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Sun, 14 Oct 2018 - 14:58
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 13 Oct 2018 Member No.: 100,378 |
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Sun, 14 Oct 2018 - 15:16
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Member Group: Members Posts: 33,634 Joined: 2 Apr 2008 From: Not in the UK Member No.: 18,483 |
The s 172 requirement has been made, you need to comply with it. Reply using a signed letter.
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Any comments made do not constitute legal advice and should not be relied upon. No lawyer/client relationship should be assumed nor should any duty of care be owed. |
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Sun, 14 Oct 2018 - 15:19
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: 13 Oct 2018 Member No.: 100,378 |
what would i just state who was driving
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Sun, 14 Oct 2018 - 15:48
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Member Group: Members Posts: 33,634 Joined: 2 Apr 2008 From: Not in the UK Member No.: 18,483 |
what would i just state who was driving I would start with pointing out that the reverse of the form was blank so you will supply the driver’s name, address, date of birth and driving licence number (assuming you know these) and offering to supply further information if they need it. -------------------- Moderator
Any comments made do not constitute legal advice and should not be relied upon. No lawyer/client relationship should be assumed nor should any duty of care be owed. |
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