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ben1191
post Sun, 28 May 2017 - 09:29
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Hi,I've had trouble from these idiots for a while now where I live,I tried to find my old topic but couldn't.

I own a non sign written long wheel base Mercedes sprinter that I use for work,holidays and social use,even shopping.I park it on the t junction where I have been told via email by the agency countrywide that the council owns and manages. UK cpm have errected signs roughly 3m in the air on lampposts all across the estate and t junction as well as at the entrance to the road. Last Sunday I received a ticket over night at 04:01 AM,I want to appeal this ticket the best way I Can,I can only appeal via post so it needs to be handwritten,can anybody help me with how to word my appeal please.

Here is the email I received from the landowner/management;

We do not own any land, however we are responsible for the running of the estate which does not include the T shaped part of the road, which is Council adopted. There is no parking enforcement on this part of the estate as it does not form part of the development. The signs erected are a warning to people wishing to park within the maintained estate.

The agreement that you have with your letting agent does not transcend the law. You are actually placing the owner of the property in breach of their terms and conditions, however it is their responsibility to ensure that the letting agents form your tenancy agreement based on their Deeds, which they haven’t so therefore it would appear that your tenancy agreement is voided in parts, again I would contact them about this, there could be other parts of your tenancy agreement that are also void so it is in your interest as a tenant to review this, for your rights.



Your comment regarding being ticketed in the homeowner’s parking space is also incorrect. We would not take the homeowner to court regarding a parking ticket, however we would have grounds to take them to court if they continue to allow a tenant to park commercial vehicles on the development.

Thanks for any help in advance.

Edit: the road is Mercer close larkfield so you can Google street view it for a better idea.

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- ben1191   Appealing a UK cpm ticket on land they don't manage.   Sun, 28 May 2017 - 09:29
- - Lynnzer   Ref PCN ******* Please be advised that you are att...   Sun, 28 May 2017 - 11:26
- - Gan   DO NOT APPEAL THIS WINDSCREEN TICKET Wait until U...   Sun, 28 May 2017 - 11:33
|- - Lynnzer   QUOTE (Gan @ Sun, 28 May 2017 - 12:3...   Sun, 28 May 2017 - 12:40
- - ben1191   Thanks for your replies! I have one or two tic...   Sun, 28 May 2017 - 15:48
|- - Lynnzer   QUOTE (ben1191 @ Sun, 28 May 2017 - 16...   Sun, 28 May 2017 - 15:57
- - ben1191   QUOTE (Lynnzer @ Sun, 28 May 2017 - 16...   Sun, 28 May 2017 - 16:40
|- - Lynnzer   QUOTE (ben1191 @ Sun, 28 May 2017 - 17...   Sun, 28 May 2017 - 17:11
- - ben1191   They were windscreen tickets,his van is registered...   Sun, 28 May 2017 - 17:19
|- - Lynnzer   QUOTE (ben1191 @ Sun, 28 May 2017 - 18...   Sun, 28 May 2017 - 19:46
- - nosferatu1001   Obvious answer is: check with the council as to wh...   Mon, 29 May 2017 - 08:16
|- - ben1191   QUOTE (nosferatu1001 @ Mon, 29 May 2017 ...   Tue, 30 May 2017 - 17:09
- - nosferatu1001   Sadly that is work blocked - so I cant see it Wha...   Wed, 31 May 2017 - 06:38
- - Umkomaas   It says: Street Name: Mercer Close, Larkfield USR...   Wed, 31 May 2017 - 07:02
- - nosferatu1001   In that case - ask the council if they have hired ...   Wed, 31 May 2017 - 08:38
|- - Lynnzer   QUOTE (nosferatu1001 @ Wed, 31 May 2017 ...   Wed, 31 May 2017 - 08:49
- - ben1191   Another ticket today at 4:24am. The sign st...   Sun, 4 Jun 2017 - 08:17
- - emanresu   According to the KCC map this is highway. Suggest ...   Sun, 4 Jun 2017 - 08:38
- - ostell   I did note the sign also says no commercial vehicl...   Sun, 4 Jun 2017 - 09:01
|- - ben1191   QUOTE (ostell @ Sun, 4 Jun 2017 - 10...   Sun, 4 Jun 2017 - 12:58
|- - peterguk   QUOTE (ben1191 @ Sun, 4 Jun 2017 - 13...   Sun, 4 Jun 2017 - 13:05
|- - ben1191   QUOTE (peterguk @ Sun, 4 Jun 2017 - 14...   Sun, 4 Jun 2017 - 16:23
- - emanresu   @Ben1191 PCM can only issue tickets on private la...   Sun, 4 Jun 2017 - 16:58
- - ben1191   I've sent an email kc highways,it said on thei...   Sun, 4 Jun 2017 - 18:00
- - SchoolRunMum   You can just go into their main offices and ask, o...   Sun, 4 Jun 2017 - 19:15
|- - ben1191   QUOTE (SchoolRunMum @ Sun, 4 Jun 2017 - ...   Sun, 4 Jun 2017 - 20:57
- - ostell   They are ticketing because they see a large white ...   Sun, 4 Jun 2017 - 21:06
|- - Lynnzer   QUOTE (ostell @ Sun, 4 Jun 2017 - 22...   Mon, 5 Jun 2017 - 05:52
- - ben1191   Thank you all for your responses,I emailed my loca...   Mon, 5 Jun 2017 - 19:07
- - nosferatu1001   They're saying they can't tell what is hig...   Mon, 5 Jun 2017 - 22:18
- - whjohnson   You should have asked if the council own the land ...   Mon, 5 Jun 2017 - 23:16
- - emanresu   Ask Highways to check their "definitive map...   Tue, 6 Jun 2017 - 05:38
- - ben1191   Waiting on a response from highways,got a response...   Tue, 6 Jun 2017 - 08:31
|- - Lynnzer   QUOTE (ben1191 @ Tue, 6 Jun 2017 - 09...   Tue, 6 Jun 2017 - 09:49
|- - ben1191   QUOTE (Lynnzer @ Tue, 6 Jun 2017 - 10...   Tue, 6 Jun 2017 - 10:29
- - Lynnzer   I just emailed them for you. Perhaps as it's a...   Tue, 6 Jun 2017 - 10:43
|- - ben1191   QUOTE (Lynnzer @ Tue, 6 Jun 2017 - 11...   Tue, 6 Jun 2017 - 11:53
|- - SchoolRunMum   Yay! Lynnzer may well have helped here, with ...   Sat, 17 Jun 2017 - 22:19
- - nosferatu1001   Ring the council and ask to be put through to them...   Tue, 6 Jun 2017 - 10:43
- - ben1191   Everything has gone quiet,No response from highway...   Wed, 14 Jun 2017 - 14:34
- - nosferatu1001   Keep chasing them.   Thu, 15 Jun 2017 - 07:52
- - ben1191   So I've just gone to my van today and noticed ...   Sat, 17 Jun 2017 - 15:38
- - ben1191   Well my first ticket was given on 21/05 so I'm...   Sun, 18 Jun 2017 - 06:15
- - Lynnzer   Just in. My request for info from the council. I a...   Mon, 19 Jun 2017 - 15:39
- - ben1191   They've removed the signs from the T junction ...   Tue, 20 Jun 2017 - 14:52
- - emanresu   Go back to the Managing Agents and get them to dem...   Tue, 20 Jun 2017 - 18:45
- - ben1191   Received the ntk today,using the template provided...   Mon, 26 Jun 2017 - 16:52
- - nosferatu1001   Yes, you state that you have definitive proof they...   Tue, 27 Jun 2017 - 06:33
- - ben1191   Just come back from holiday,i sent the appeal with...   Sat, 15 Jul 2017 - 13:29
- - whjohnson   If it ticket was issued in the same place as your ...   Sat, 15 Jul 2017 - 17:36
- - ManxRed   Wait for others, but I'd be considering a Lett...   Sat, 15 Jul 2017 - 22:41
- - ben1191   My father has received a court letter for a ticket...   Thu, 20 Jul 2017 - 17:36
|- - Lynnzer   QUOTE (ben1191 @ Thu, 20 Jul 2017 - 18...   Thu, 20 Jul 2017 - 17:55
- - ben1191   My initial findings suggest that Mercer Close, Lar...   Thu, 20 Jul 2017 - 18:18
- - ben1191   Should i fill out the defence form less formally t...   Fri, 21 Jul 2017 - 09:25
|- - Gan   QUOTE (ben1191 @ Fri, 21 Jul 2017 - 10...   Fri, 21 Jul 2017 - 11:00
- - ben1191   Ive just got off the phone to kcc,they have confir...   Fri, 21 Jul 2017 - 09:49
- - ostell   OK then try from another direction. Contact your ...   Fri, 21 Jul 2017 - 10:21
- - OwlGirl   OP I drive the owl van you've probably seen ...   Sat, 22 Jul 2017 - 12:06
- - SchoolRunMum   You two should get together and also knock on door...   Sat, 22 Jul 2017 - 14:07
- - OwlGirl   Yep that's me! I will PM you this evening,...   Sat, 22 Jul 2017 - 17:26
- - ben1191   I called him mid day thursday,he told me i wasnt t...   Sat, 22 Jul 2017 - 18:31
- - OwlGirl   Ok...makes sense!   Sat, 22 Jul 2017 - 18:38
- - ben1191   Can anybody advise on the wording of the defence i...   Sun, 23 Jul 2017 - 10:56
- - Gan   You don't need to provide any evidence at this...   Sun, 23 Jul 2017 - 11:43
- - ben1191   Claim was issued to him He was July 12th We havent...   Sun, 23 Jul 2017 - 13:03
- - Gan   but have done with the 2nd and third tickets in ap...   Sun, 23 Jul 2017 - 15:33
- - ben1191   QUOTE (Gan @ Sun, 23 Jul 2017 - 16:3...   Sun, 23 Jul 2017 - 16:32
- - SchoolRunMum   I am writing counter-claim wording for the other ...   Sun, 23 Jul 2017 - 22:01
- - OwlGirl   Gan - please could I use the same defence stateme...   Mon, 24 Jul 2017 - 08:57
- - Gan   Of course you can I don't deal with any OPs b...   Mon, 24 Jul 2017 - 09:01
- - SchoolRunMum   The counter-claim has been sent by pm to both, par...   Mon, 24 Jul 2017 - 16:46
- - OwlGirl   Thanks Gan   Tue, 25 Jul 2017 - 09:31
- - SchoolRunMum   Did you both get a defence, to go with the counter...   Thu, 27 Jul 2017 - 12:42
- - ben1191   I got a response from ukcpm today in the post,stat...   Thu, 27 Jul 2017 - 16:33
- - ostell   So you now know that ukpcm can't read, or read...   Thu, 27 Jul 2017 - 16:54
- - ben1191   No i didnt get a defence schoolrunmum   Sat, 29 Jul 2017 - 22:55
- - SchoolRunMum   I think Gan was providing a defence, to be shown o...   Sat, 29 Jul 2017 - 23:49
- - Gan   I've been frantically busy this week Thanks f...   Sun, 30 Jul 2017 - 07:45
- - ben1191   I appealed the declined appeal to the ias and i wa...   Sun, 30 Jul 2017 - 10:18
|- - SchoolRunMum   QUOTE (ben1191 @ Sun, 30 Jul 2017 - 11...   Sun, 30 Jul 2017 - 12:39
- - OwlGirl   http://www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news...00-fi...   Mon, 31 Jul 2017 - 07:31
|- - Umkomaas   QUOTE (OwlGirl @ Mon, 31 Jul 2017 - 08...   Mon, 31 Jul 2017 - 08:47
- - OwlGirl   Oh of course, their signage looks very similar.......   Mon, 31 Jul 2017 - 12:19
- - emanresu   QUOTE so when do I need to have my defence & c...   Mon, 31 Jul 2017 - 16:49
- - OwlGirl   Couldn't PM you back Gan but thank you so much...   Mon, 31 Jul 2017 - 21:53
|- - ben1191   QUOTE (OwlGirl @ Mon, 31 Jul 2017 - 22...   Sat, 5 Aug 2017 - 19:08
- - OwlGirl   Have just emailed my defence & counter claim. ...   Sun, 6 Aug 2017 - 15:32
- - nosferatu1001   Check on MCOL that the status is set correctly You...   Mon, 7 Aug 2017 - 05:56
- - OwlGirl   My counter claim is all going through as we speak ...   Mon, 21 Aug 2017 - 08:57
- - nosferatu1001   Ibelieve they must reply to the Counterclaim at th...   Mon, 21 Aug 2017 - 09:03
- - SchoolRunMum   It will be interesting to see if they defend the c...   Tue, 22 Aug 2017 - 22:12
- - nosferatu1001   Theyre also only allowed ONE defence to countercla...   Wed, 23 Aug 2017 - 09:18
- - OwlGirl   I have recieved a letter from Gladstone solicitors...   Wed, 30 Aug 2017 - 10:20
- - ostell   Or it's simply down to Gladstones left hand no...   Wed, 30 Aug 2017 - 10:42
- - nosferatu1001   You paying £150 saves them hassle. That's all...   Wed, 30 Aug 2017 - 17:02
- - OwlGirl   Court letter today, They've got until the 15...   Sat, 2 Sep 2017 - 19:04
|- - SchoolRunMum   QUOTE (OwlGirl @ Sat, 2 Sep 2017 - 20...   Sat, 2 Sep 2017 - 19:51
- - cabbyman   What about the counterclaim?   Sat, 2 Sep 2017 - 19:19
- - nosferatu1001   What do ŷou mean, exactly, by "give evidence...   Sun, 3 Sep 2017 - 01:09
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