[NIP Wizard] Alledged Speeding Wales 70mph on a Duel Carriageway |
[NIP Wizard] Alledged Speeding Wales 70mph on a Duel Carriageway |
Fri, 8 Nov 2019 - 11:04
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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? - Date of the offence: - October 2019 Date of the NIP: - 26 days after the offence Date you received the NIP: - 28 days after the offence Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A55 Rhuallt Hill Eastbound, Denbighshire Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? - Hire How many current points do you have? - 3 Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - Alledged speed 70mph on a duel carriageway with a central reservation. However, driving a Mercedes sprinter van so the alledged offence is 70mph on a 60mph restricted road for type of vehicle. If it is of any consequence, in Wales, and upon this particular road, national speed limit signs do not apply nor are they displayed. Instead 70mph limit boards are displayed (from my understanding and memory but I would need to check this out to be sure and if it should bear any relevance to this alledged offence). NIP Wizard Responses These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation: Have you received a NIP? - Yes Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - No Is the NIP addressed to you personally? - Yes Although you are not the Registered Keeper, were you the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes Were you driving? - Yes Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - Wales NIP Wizard Recommendation Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
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Mon, 6 Jan 2020 - 14:39
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Has something happened in the last two months to make you resurrect this? Presumably you have named yourself as the driver. It is now three months (or thereabouts) since the alleged offence and you should have been offered either a course or fixed penalty by now. If it goes beyond four months those offers may not be made.
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Mon, 6 Jan 2020 - 15:20
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Its important if its a motorway or duel carriageway as driving a van at 70mph and the offence is exceeding 60mph thanks
Yes I have named myself as the driver and have spoken to them last week with a granted additional weeks grace to submit licence and fine |
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Mon, 6 Jan 2020 - 15:21
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I don’t believe the A55 is a motorway (special road), is it?
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Mon, 6 Jan 2020 - 15:55
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Its important if its a motorway or duel carriageway as driving a van at 70mph and the offence is exceeding 60mph thanks Yes, I understand what the issue is. But I thought that it had been largely put to bed last November, especially in posts #14 to #18. I assumed you had accepted that advice and wondered why, after two months, you had asked essentially the same question again. To answer your latest specific question, the number of lanes has no bearing on whether a road is a standard dual carriageway or a motorway. There are plenty of standard dual carriageways with three, or even four lanes in each direction and plenty of motorway miles with just two lanes each way. The A2 and M2 from SE London to the Kent coast demonstrates this quite well. Much of the London end of the A2 is three lanes and actually becomes four lanes east of Bean interchange near Dartford. When the main road becomes the M2 just before the Medway Crossing it is variously three or four lanes until Junction 4 when it is reduced to two lanes. It remains that way until its end at Junction 7. The road then splits into the two lane A2 Broughton by-pass and the two lane A299 Thanet Way. The definition of a motorway or of a standard dual carriageway does not rely on the number of lanes in either. This post has been edited by NewJudge: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 - 16:00 |
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Mon, 6 Jan 2020 - 16:05
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Ok thank you. I'd only looked at the street view now out of interest.
So a motorway is only a motorway when the motorway signage (the blue sign with two white lanes under a bridge) are visible prior to joining. Because many carriageways can look like a motorway but they are not actually a motorway (eg three lanes in both directions with a central barrier / reservation between them) Apologies for going back to basics. I'm now just paranoid about exceeding my vehicles limit on such roads! Thank you for your time... |
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Mon, 6 Jan 2020 - 16:11
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I suggest, blue signs 70 red signs 60
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Mon, 6 Jan 2020 - 17:23
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Member Group: Members Posts: 79 Joined: 24 Feb 2009 Member No.: 26,506 |
Sure....fundamentally its these defining factors.
Junctions on motorways are always numbered Motorway signs are always blue, while they are green on dual carriageways On a motorway, the right hand lane is only for overtaking, whereas you can use it for turning right on a dual carriageway Exiting a motorway almost always involves a slip road Roundabouts and traffic lights are extremely rare on motorways but very common on dual carriageways |
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Mon, 6 Jan 2020 - 17:35
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I cant recall a roundabout ON a motorway
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Mon, 6 Jan 2020 - 17:48
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You need to be a bit careful:
Roundabouts and traffic lights are extremely rare on motorways but very common on dual carriageways On the section of the A2 I mentioned, between Kidbrooke (a couple of miles south of the Blackwall Tunnel) and where the main coast road becomes the M2 there are no roundabouts and no traffic lights. This is a stretch of more than twenty miles and in that stretch it is mainly three lanes with considerable stretches of four lanes. In many respects it is actually a "better" road than the later two lane stretches of the M2. I think blue signs are the best indication that you are on a motorway. |
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Mon, 6 Jan 2020 - 18:51
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Mon, 6 Jan 2020 - 18:57
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I cant recall a roundabout ON a motorway M49 where it meets M4 jn 22 at the eastern end of the SSC M50 where it meets M5 jn 8 near Strensham. Both are accessed from the “main motorways” by way of entry and exit slips like a conventional motorway junction and each “minor motorway” ends directly at a roundabout with no slip roads. Both roundabouts subject to motorway regulations. |
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Mon, 6 Jan 2020 - 19:15
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I cant recall a roundabout ON a motorway M49 where it meets M4 jn 22 at the eastern end of the SSC M50 where it meets M5 jn 8 near Strensham. Both are accessed from the “main motorways” by way of entry and exit slips like a conventional motorway junction and each “minor motorway” ends directly at a roundabout with no slip roads. Both roundabouts subject to motorway regulations. And argueably M32 where it meets the M4, but think we are getting into flame pit territory here! The question here comes down to the special road. From the location in the OP (and a bit of googling), it would appear to be somewhere around J28-30, which is not a special road section (or certainly Wikipedia suggests the sections are somewhere between J17-J23 and not the whole road). Looks like these cameras have been there for around 18 months. |
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Mon, 6 Jan 2020 - 19:18
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@ baggins
Hardly the same thing as both roundabout are at the end of the motorway merely joining another. Show me a mway where there is a roundabout along it length not where it terminates. This post has been edited by mickR: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 - 19:19 |
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Mon, 6 Jan 2020 - 19:32
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@ baggins Hardly the same thing as both roundabout are at the end of the motorway merely joining another. Show me a mway where there is a roundabout along it length not where it terminates. That’s not what you asked, but I see where you’re coming from. How about this on the M271. To stay on M271 you have to use a roundabout Edit can’t upload pic, but it’s where M271 crosses M27 This post has been edited by baggins1234: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 - 19:57 |
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Mon, 6 Jan 2020 - 20:36
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This post has been edited by cabbyman: Mon, 6 Jan 2020 - 20:41 -------------------- Cabbyman 11 PPCs 0
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Mon, 6 Jan 2020 - 20:44
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Mon, 6 Jan 2020 - 20:46
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Ask yourselves, is this helping the OP?
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