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stewpots
post Sat, 19 Aug 2017 - 12:04
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I have just got a NIP from a 'mobile unit'

It states if you wish to contest it evidence etc will be produced in magistrates court

Don't i have the right to see the evidence before the magistrates

I dont deny i was driving in the area but i refuse to believe i was doing 86mph in rush hour traffic on A34 its not physically possible
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post Wed, 7 Feb 2018 - 18:46
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The guidance makes reference to no costs order in such situations.

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post Wed, 7 Feb 2018 - 19:01
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QUOTE (stewpots @ Wed, 7 Feb 2018 - 18:27) *
I was caught speeding 1O August 2017.


That'll be this case from August 2017, and no CoFP. Presumably you chose not to call them as advised:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=115313&hl=

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post Wed, 7 Feb 2018 - 19:04
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QUOTE (peterguk @ Wed, 7 Feb 2018 - 19:01) *
QUOTE (stewpots @ Wed, 7 Feb 2018 - 18:27) *
I was caught speeding 1O August 2017.


That'll be this case from August 2017, and no CoFP. Presumably you chose not to call them as advised:

http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=115313&hl=

A mod will merge. One case - one thread.


why would I want to call them ??

we will see
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post Wed, 7 Feb 2018 - 19:17
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QUOTE (stewpots @ Wed, 7 Feb 2018 - 19:04) *
why would I want to call them ??


Well you'd have saved yourself all this hassle.


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QUOTE (Logician @ Thu, 16 Nov 2017 - 19:45) *
cloning is actually uncommon.

Are you sure about that?


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post Wed, 7 Feb 2018 - 22:13
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QUOTE (mdann52 @ Wed, 7 Feb 2018 - 18:45) *
Just to check, how many points do you have, and how long have you held your licence?

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QUOTE (Fredd @ Wed, 7 Feb 2018 - 19:20) *
QUOTE (Logician @ Thu, 16 Nov 2017 - 19:45) *
cloning is actually uncommon.

Are you sure about that?

I'm sure there are many cloned plates on the road, but not that many.

As of March 2017 there were 37.5 million cars licensed for use on the road, I'm going to need something more than an article from the telegraph to persuade me that over 3.1 million of those are driving around on false plates.


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I do not believe that statistic at all, lots of posters here have suggested their plates have been cloned but I do not recall a single one being substantiated.


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QUOTE (Logician @ Thu, 8 Feb 2018 - 00:05) *
I do not believe that statistic at all, lots of posters here have suggested their plates have been cloned but I do not recall a single one being substantiated.


I have photographic evidence of my cars number plates appearing on another car from a parking fine in Tower Hamlets.
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QUOTE (stewpots @ Sat, 19 Aug 2017 - 13:04) *
I dont deny i was driving in the area but i refuse to believe i was doing 86mph in rush hour traffic on A34 its not physically possible


QUOTE (stewpots @ Thu, 16 Nov 2017 - 20:41) *
The latest i was no where near area at time. Its 100 miles away and 2am in morning


Im confused, so is it the same case or not? because at one point you're pretty confident it was you, the next appears to be a completely different time and you're in a completely different location.
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post Thu, 8 Feb 2018 - 08:49
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QUOTE (Loppy @ Thu, 8 Feb 2018 - 08:30) *
QUOTE (stewpots @ Sat, 19 Aug 2017 - 13:04) *
I dont deny i was driving in the area but i refuse to believe i was doing 86mph in rush hour traffic on A34 its not physically possible


QUOTE (stewpots @ Thu, 16 Nov 2017 - 20:41) *
The latest i was no where near area at time. Its 100 miles away and 2am in morning


Im confused, so is it the same case or not? because at one point you're pretty confident it was you, the next appears to be a completely different time and you're in a completely different location.


OP has two cases - one from August 2017, and another from later in the year. It is the latter case which OP says is nothing to do with him or his car.


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QUOTE (stewpots @ Wed, 7 Feb 2018 - 18:36) *
it was 86 in 70


Were you driving a car or a van?
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post Mon, 12 Feb 2018 - 12:28
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QUOTE (mdann52 @ Wed, 7 Feb 2018 - 18:45) *
Just to check, how many points do you have, and how long have you held your licence?


I have no points and 30 years

I didn't get any offer or reminder have asked for them to resend

TVP usually send reminders

will let you know outcome
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post Mon, 12 Feb 2018 - 13:07
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They have no reason to resend - they've already advised you that the matter is proceeding to court. The CoFP's are useless to you now.
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post Mon, 12 Feb 2018 - 13:53
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QUOTE (TheDisapprovingBrit @ Mon, 12 Feb 2018 - 13:07) *
They have no reason to resend - they've already advised you that the matter is proceeding to court. The CoFP's are useless to you now.


It was a material fact on the last one I got found not guilty on re that force sent no reminders . The Judge didn't find that satisfactory and that force changed its procedures before my trail , that went to crown court as I didn't accept the magistrates findings

Any way it Thames valley they always send reminders.

I haven't got anything so see what happens. Ill need to see the original offer letter. I don't think they sent them , this was mobile camera over A34 on a bridge they must of got 1000s



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post Mon, 12 Feb 2018 - 13:56
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QUOTE (stewpots @ Mon, 12 Feb 2018 - 13:53) *
Ill need to see the original offer letter. I don't think they sent them ,



You won't get to see it. There is no obligation to send reminders.

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post Mon, 12 Feb 2018 - 14:17
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QUOTE (stewpots @ Mon, 12 Feb 2018 - 13:53) *
QUOTE (TheDisapprovingBrit @ Mon, 12 Feb 2018 - 13:07) *
They have no reason to resend - they've already advised you that the matter is proceeding to court. The CoFP's are useless to you now.


It was a material fact on the last one I got found not guilty on re that force sent no reminders . The Judge didn't find that satisfactory and that force changed its procedures before my trail , that went to crown court as I didn't accept the magistrates findings

Any way it Thames valley they always send reminders.

Whether the court thinks the police’s procedures are satisfactory or not isn’t relevant. What the court might have found was that you didn’t receive the single document in question, which might be why the force now sends two documents, on the basis that one going astray is possible, two much less so.


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post Mon, 12 Feb 2018 - 15:40
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Mon, 12 Feb 2018 - 14:17) *
QUOTE (stewpots @ Mon, 12 Feb 2018 - 13:53) *
QUOTE (TheDisapprovingBrit @ Mon, 12 Feb 2018 - 13:07) *
They have no reason to resend - they've already advised you that the matter is proceeding to court. The CoFP's are useless to you now.


It was a material fact on the last one I got found not guilty on re that force sent no reminders . The Judge didn't find that satisfactory and that force changed its procedures before my trail , that went to crown court as I didn't accept the magistrates findings

Any way it Thames valley they always send reminders.

Whether the court thinks the police’s procedures are satisfactory or not isn’t relevant. What the court might have found was that you didn’t receive the single document in question, which might be why the force now sends two documents, on the basis that one going astray is possible, two much less so.



It was relevant to my previous case

That was when the NIP had my town missing and hence didn't match vehicle log book address. Post code and everything else was correct

The judge said had the prosecution sent me a reminder it would assist their case. As I had given a 'reasonable' doubt that one letter went astray and I never got the NIP he threw the case out about 5 minutes after adjourning (this was crown court)

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post Mon, 12 Feb 2018 - 16:09
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Which is what Southpaw said.


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post Mon, 12 Feb 2018 - 20:04
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QUOTE (stewpots @ Mon, 12 Feb 2018 - 15:40) *
The judge said had the prosecution sent me a reminder it would assist their case. As I had given a 'reasonable' doubt that one letter went astray and I never got the NIP he threw the case out about 5 minutes after adjourning (this was crown court)

I’m pretty sure that’s what I said.


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