Bromley moving traffic contraventions |
Bromley moving traffic contraventions |
Sun, 14 Nov 2021 - 16:52
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Member Group: Members Posts: 55 Joined: 8 Dec 2018 Member No.: 101,369 |
Bromley Council began enforcing moving traffic contraventions in September 2021 & began issuing PCNs in October 2021. These are issued under the London Local Authorities & Transport for London Act 2003, which requires local authorities to publish their intentions in a local paper & the London Gazette at least 3 months prior to the date fixed for the adoption of these powers. I discovered the notice published in the London Gazette dated 20th January 2021 which stated that the Council intended to commence the operation of these powers from 1st April 2021. As this is less than the three months’ notice required by the legislation, I expect this to be a winning point in my appeal to the adjudicators & thought this might be useful information for anyone else fighting such an appeal. In fact, I believe it may mean that any such moving traffic PCNs issued by Bromley Council might be unenforceable as they have not complied with the legislation, under which they are issuing these PCNs. Any comments welcomed. |
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Wed, 17 Nov 2021 - 17:23
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Fair point, the 28 day period is blatantly wrong and misleading, possibly the worst we've seen. So even if the discount were available I'd recommend to appeal this without reservation.
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Wed, 17 Nov 2021 - 17:56
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Member Group: Members Posts: 55 Joined: 8 Dec 2018 Member No.: 101,369 |
Sorry to be ignorant, but if you could explain the problem with the 28 day wording that would be much appreciated |
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Wed, 17 Nov 2021 - 17:59
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Sorry to be ignorant, but if you could explain the problem with the 28 day wording that would be much appreciated The Act says you have 28 days from the date of service of the notice to make representations, and after that date the council may issue a charge certificate. So while the wording at the top saying you have 28 days from the date of the notice to pay is correct, the wording further down that says you have 28 days from the date of the notice to make representations is wrong, the wording that tells you they may issue a charge certificate if you do neither after 28 days from the date of the notice is also wrong. As they're illegally shortening the time you have to make representations, the tribunal will generally rule that the PCN is invalid. Some cases are more ambiguous but this one is really clear-cut. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Wed, 17 Nov 2021 - 18:32
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Member Group: Members Posts: 29,265 Joined: 16 Jan 2008 Member No.: 16,671 |
They get it right on page two but, for me, that contradiction just renders it confusing.
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Wed, 17 Nov 2021 - 19:20
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Member Group: Members Posts: 55 Joined: 8 Dec 2018 Member No.: 101,369 |
Great, thanks very much |
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Wed, 17 Nov 2021 - 19:37
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Member Group: Members Posts: 29,265 Joined: 16 Jan 2008 Member No.: 16,671 |
Just wait while we formulate a very skeleton appeal.
That's all that is needed until we see if they are going to contest. 40% of appeals don't even get contested. -------------------- |
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Mon, 22 Nov 2021 - 16:28
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Member Group: Members Posts: 55 Joined: 8 Dec 2018 Member No.: 101,369 |
Your help in forming a skeleton reply would be much appreciated, thanks very much |
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Mon, 22 Nov 2021 - 16:54
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Member Group: Members Posts: 29,265 Joined: 16 Jan 2008 Member No.: 16,671 |
I've asked cp8759 to assist you as I'm dealing with something else.
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Mon, 22 Nov 2021 - 17:34
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Skeleton appeal (the relevant ground you need to select is that the penalty demanded exceeds the amount due:
-------------------------------- The penalty demanded exceeds the amount due in the circumstances of the case, due to the authority failing to comply with the requirements of the statutory scheme. Page 1 of the PCN asserts that any representations made after 28 days beginnig with the date of the PCN may be disregarded, and that after that period has elapsed the authority may issue a charge certificate. Both these assertions are wrong as the 28 day period runs from the date of service of the notice, rather than from the date of the notice. As the PCN purports to shorten the statutory timeframe a motorist has to make representations by two days, the only penalty that may be demanded is nil. The tribunal is referred to the following decisions on this point: Joan Sanders v London Borough of Barnet (2190464396, 04 December 2019), Richard Moxon v London Borough of Barnet (2190550793, 22 January 2020), Heena Rehman v London Borough of Barnet (2190555287, 21 February 2020), Ross Fowler v London Borough of Islington (2190213228, 27 June 2019), Fahad Sheikh v London Borough of Havering (2190290058, 17 August 2019), Adam Jones v London Borough of Havering (2190374806, 09 October 2019), Tomasz Szadowski v London Borough of Southwark (2210069591, 06 April 2021) and Oishik Banerji v London Borough of Southwark (2210175577, 28 May 2021) -------------------------------------- Ask for a telephone hearing rather than a decision on the papers. This post has been edited by cp8759: Tue, 23 Nov 2021 - 18:37 -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Mon, 22 Nov 2021 - 19:51
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Member Group: Members Posts: 55 Joined: 8 Dec 2018 Member No.: 101,369 |
Perfect, thanks very much |
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Fri, 26 Nov 2021 - 06:55
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Member Group: Members Posts: 55 Joined: 8 Dec 2018 Member No.: 101,369 |
As you suggested, Bromley Council has decided not to contest the appeal; thanks once again for the advice & help. |
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Fri, 26 Nov 2021 - 10:40
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Nice and easy, I wonder if they'll mess up the wording again when they try and fix the template.
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Fri, 26 Nov 2021 - 11:07
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Member Group: Members Posts: 26,655 Joined: 6 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,048 |
Nice and easy, I wonder if they'll mess up the wording again when they try and fix the template. If the follow the route Havering took that will take 2 years -------------------- All advice is given freely. It is given without guarantee and responsibility for its use rests with the user
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