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Amir khan
post Fri, 18 Jan 2019 - 12:11
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so last year i received a PCN through mail(20/10/18). this was because i was taking directions from a friend but basically i saw the no entry signs and pulled over as me and my friend were talking about it. i then decided to not go through. keeping in mind the no entry was just on a pole and no other signs on the road displayed anything other than a normal road. until a further junction which i did not cross. i then took a u turn and left. surely they should not be able to fine me just because i drove past a pole. anyways i appealed on 01/11/18 and just today on 18/01/19 received a response. can i re appeal from london tribunal and claim the 56 day rule or anything else? thanks to anyone willing to help.
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post Fri, 18 Jan 2019 - 12:15
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Post all the documents you have.

The video is the crucial evidence - do you have it?

Put pics on https://imgbb.com or such like.
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Amir khan
post Fri, 18 Jan 2019 - 12:58
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i also have a receipt from when i sent the appeal.
sorry, what video are you talking about?

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post Fri, 18 Jan 2019 - 13:21
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This is the infamous Temple Mills Lane - we have lots of cases here in both directions but hard to appeal I think.

Video just shows you sailing past the signs:

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Amir khan
post Fri, 18 Jan 2019 - 13:30
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thing is when i stopped there i reversed back to the sign and did a u turn, cant they access that and see i didnt use that bridge
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post Fri, 18 Jan 2019 - 13:36
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With respect, if you ask for help from the people here, it would be proper for you to take the time to ensure the documents are posted the right way up and are readable



I would love to see some up to date photos


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post Fri, 18 Jan 2019 - 13:39
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QUOTE (Amir khan @ Fri, 18 Jan 2019 - 13:30) *
thing is when i stopped there i reversed back to the sign and did a u turn, cant they access that and see i didnt use that bridge


You can ask for subsequent video. I think though you went too far past the signs.

As PMB says, you need to post things the right way up and include the full pages.
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post Fri, 18 Jan 2019 - 15:13
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Partial PCN:


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The contravention is going past the signs, it makes no difference that you didn't go across the bridge. You're lucky this was in London, elsewhere in the country if the police saw you do this, you would get a £100 fixed penalty plus 3 points on your driving licence. I would pay the discounted penalty and put it down to experience.


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post Fri, 18 Jan 2019 - 15:55
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QUOTE (Amir khan @ Fri, 18 Jan 2019 - 12:11) *
keeping in mind the no entry was just on a pole and no other signs on the road displayed anything other than a normal road

What other indication other than a No Entry sign would you have expecteed to see?


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Amir khan
post Fri, 18 Jan 2019 - 18:02
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Oh I'll just pay it then, thanks for the help everyone.

I thought I could've used the 56 days to respond law but after looking around I think that's for something else.
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post Fri, 18 Jan 2019 - 18:22
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The key date in moving traffic PCNs is they have to serve it on you in 28 days - did you get the PCN within that time? That applies if you are the registered keeper - can take longer for lease cars and certain other situations.
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Amir khan
post Fri, 18 Jan 2019 - 18:36
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I received the pcn within 2 weeks but my appeal response was like 79 days and yeah I own the car
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post Fri, 18 Jan 2019 - 18:45
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56 day rule is for replying to formal representation to parking tickets.

3 months is stated by London Tribunals to reply to moving traffic reps but it's not a legal rule.

https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/unde...rcement-process
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post Fri, 18 Jan 2019 - 22:55
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QUOTE (Amir khan @ Fri, 18 Jan 2019 - 18:02) *
Oh I'll just pay it then, thanks for the help everyone.

I thought I could've used the 56 days to respond law but after looking around I think that's for something else.

Yes sorry that's just for parking.


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post Sat, 19 Jan 2019 - 10:30
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Looks to me that you only stopped becasuse a bus was coming the other way.

I'm sure that wasn't the case, but an adjudicator might think that too!
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Amir khan
post Sun, 20 Jan 2019 - 03:18
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I got one more problem I just tried paying the fine and it says the pcn number isn't right, do they change it after they accept or decline my first appeal
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post Sun, 20 Jan 2019 - 11:22
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QUOTE (Amir khan @ Sun, 20 Jan 2019 - 03:18) *
I got one more problem I just tried paying the fine and it says the pcn number isn't right, do they change it after they accept or decline my first appeal

Phone them in the morning and they'll sort it out for you


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post Sun, 20 Jan 2019 - 15:56
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QUOTE (Amir khan @ Sun, 20 Jan 2019 - 03:18) *
I got one more problem I just tried paying the fine and it says the pcn number isn't right, do they change it after they accept or decline my first appeal

Works fine when I entered it.


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Amir khan
post Sun, 20 Jan 2019 - 17:55
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Wth, I tried on my phone and computer. I'll try again
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post Sun, 20 Jan 2019 - 18:09
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Only thing I can think of --- VRM -are entering a zero for the 'O' ?


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