Speeding on Tower bridge., Possibly wrongly worded NIP. |
Speeding on Tower bridge., Possibly wrongly worded NIP. |
Mon, 30 Nov 2020 - 11:20
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Member Group: Life Member Posts: 147 Joined: 12 Nov 2005 From: Borehamwood Member No.: 4,193 |
Hello All.
Got a NIP thought the post for speeding over Tower bridge. I am the driver of the vehicle (had my Tacho card in ) but the wording on the NIP is confusing and just wanted to see whether it was worth fighting. It's a standard NIP with all the usual details of time of offence and date but then the next paragraph confuses me. It states " contrary to section Contrary to the above local traffic order and sections 84 and 89(1) of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 and Schedule 2 to the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 " The two contrary's at the start of the sentance are confusing me. Is this just a misstatement or is it an error worth fighting? Do I just fill in the form and take it up the arse so to speak. I have a clean licence at the moment so would not cause too much of a problem. I would be grateful for any help on this one. Regards. KRT. -------------------- If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it......... If you have been helped by the guys here at Pepipoo make a donation or become a member
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Mon, 30 Nov 2020 - 11:42
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,746 Joined: 29 Oct 2008 Member No.: 23,623 |
I would say it is not worth fighting. The NIP has to inform you of the "nature of the alleged offence and the time and place where it is alleged to have been committed." Only if you believe it did not do that is it worth challenging.
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Mon, 30 Nov 2020 - 11:57
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,510 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
Do I just fill in the form and take it up the a*** so to speak. I think the guidelines only allow for a course, ban, points & fines. I'm not aware of any other forms of 'punishment'... If the speed is up to 31mph then they'll probably offer a course, up to 34mph it will be a fixed penalty (3 points £100) - higher excesses go to court. " contrary to section Contrary to the above local traffic order and sections 84 and 89(1) of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 and Schedule 2 to the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 " The two contrary's at the start of the sentance are confusing me. Is this just a misstatement or is it an error worth fighting? It's a typo (on a proforma template no doubt) - but as already noted I think you'd struggle to show that the nature of the alleged offence is unclear. This post has been edited by Jlc: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 - 11:58 -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Mon, 30 Nov 2020 - 12:23
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13,572 Joined: 28 Mar 2010 Member No.: 36,528 |
Bend over, a course may not be too painful.
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Mon, 30 Nov 2020 - 13:12
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,271 Joined: 16 Jul 2015 Member No.: 78,384 |
Sections 84 and 89(1) of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 relate to the Speed Limit.
Section 2 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 relates to use of NIP |
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Mon, 30 Nov 2020 - 13:28
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,510 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
Section 2 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 relates to use of NIP Schedule, not section... -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Mon, 30 Nov 2020 - 13:49
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,200 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
Section 2 of the Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988 relates to use of NIP Schedule, not section... it’s section 2 as well..... but yes the NIP says schedule This post has been edited by The Rookie: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 - 13:52 -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Mon, 30 Nov 2020 - 14:17
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Member Group: Life Member Posts: 147 Joined: 12 Nov 2005 From: Borehamwood Member No.: 4,193 |
Okeydokey then.
Guess I'll just fill it in and take the penalty. As you have all said, It is clear regarding the offence. I would imagine they have some poor sod doing the forms and they just don't get checked that well. Once again. I thank you. KRT. -------------------- If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it......... If you have been helped by the guys here at Pepipoo make a donation or become a member
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Mon, 30 Nov 2020 - 21:40
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Member Group: Life Member Posts: 24,214 Joined: 9 Sep 2004 From: Reading Member No.: 1,624 |
What's it with you and 20mph limits? ;p
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Tue, 1 Dec 2020 - 10:04
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Member Group: Life Member Posts: 147 Joined: 12 Nov 2005 From: Borehamwood Member No.: 4,193 |
What's it with you and 20mph limits? ;p Hello Andy. You remembered. Yup. I still have a thing for 20mph limits. I just can't seem to keep to them. Perhaps I should get a scooter. -------------------- If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it......... If you have been helped by the guys here at Pepipoo make a donation or become a member
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