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Keep a mototr vehicle whch does not meet insurance requirements, Got fine for car I sold, please help.
Soren89
post Thu, 7 Feb 2019 - 15:53
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Hi there,

I sold a car to a work colleague back in the summer of 2017 soon before leaving the job.
I filled in, signed and dated the V5C document but foolishly trusted the guy to sign it and send it off.

Recently I returned to my former work place (which was also my residence at the time) to collect some post.
They informed me that they had recently returned a whole bunch of post to sender, but there was one letter of Notification of fine and collection
order saying that I was being fined £350.00 for the offense of 'Keeping a motor vehicle which does not meet insurance requirements'

After speaking with the colleague he admitted he got caught driving without insurance and had to pay a fine for it.
However it appears they also want to fine me too as I was (unknown to me) still the registered keeper.

Does anyone know how I should handle this that has had experience in a similar situation?

Is there a chance of getting of getting the fine cancelled or a reduction to a lesser offense?

Any advice would be welcome
Many thanks
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post Thu, 7 Feb 2019 - 17:02
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What evidence do you have that you SOLD the vehicle to your friend, as opposed to lent it to him?


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post Thu, 7 Feb 2019 - 17:08
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I have no record of the sale as it was done in cash. However under advice form the Single Justice Service Centre I have obtained a signed letter from him confirming the sale of the car.
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post Thu, 7 Feb 2019 - 17:22
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QUOTE (Soren89 @ Thu, 7 Feb 2019 - 17:08) *
I have no record of the sale as it was done in cash. However under advice form the Single Justice Service Centre I have obtained a signed letter from him confirming the sale of the car.


Ownerhip isn't really the issue. Does his letter confirm that he failed to register the change of keeper?
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post Thu, 7 Feb 2019 - 17:29
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QUOTE (666 @ Thu, 7 Feb 2019 - 17:22) *
QUOTE (Soren89 @ Thu, 7 Feb 2019 - 17:08) *
I have no record of the sale as it was done in cash. However under advice form the Single Justice Service Centre I have obtained a signed letter from him confirming the sale of the car.


Ownerhip isn't really the issue. Does his letter confirm that he failed to register the change of keeper?


No just confirming sale of the car. I may be able to get him to sign a new letter tho.

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post Thu, 7 Feb 2019 - 17:56
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I am puzzled why you didn't notice (the lack of) a refund of tax from the DVLA, or a confirmation letter about change of ownership

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post Fri, 8 Feb 2019 - 01:27
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Well as it appears the registered address was at the old workplace then neither would have been received I guess?


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post Sat, 9 Feb 2019 - 15:15
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"I am puzzled why you didn't notice (the lack of) a refund of tax from the DVLA, or a confirmation letter about change of ownership "

The car was sorn and off road as not used at the time.
I moved out and returned a few times to collect some post, though I hadn't received a confirmation letter I assumed it was just the DVLA taking it's time.


Regardless it has happened now, so therefor irrelevant to what I am asking.

Does anybody have some advice?

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post Sat, 9 Feb 2019 - 16:21
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You were the registered keeper and it was therefore your responsibility to follow the system set out on the V5C for transferring registration to a new keeper, either in paper form or online, which you did not do. Having relied on the new owner to do this for you, you then did not follow the instructions to contact the DVLA if you did not get an acknowledgment within 4 weeks. You are already being charged with a lower level offence, it could have been permitting driving with no insurance, which carries a large fine and 6 points. I do not see any way of getting anything better out of this, other than trying to get the £350 out of the man who let you down.


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post Sat, 9 Feb 2019 - 22:55
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QUOTE (Logician @ Sat, 9 Feb 2019 - 16:21) *
You were the registered keeper and it was therefore your responsibility to follow the system set out on the V5C for transferring registration to a new keeper, either in paper form or online, which you did not do. Having relied on the new owner to do this for you, you then did not follow the instructions to contact the DVLA if you did not get an acknowledgment within 4 weeks. You are already being charged with a lower level offence, it could have been permitting driving with no insurance, which carries a large fine and 6 points. I do not see any way of getting anything better out of this, other than trying to get the £350 out of the man who let you down.

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post Sun, 10 Feb 2019 - 20:19
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QUOTE (Logician @ Sat, 9 Feb 2019 - 16:21) *
You are already being charged with a lower level offence, it could have been permitting driving with no insurance, which carries a large fine and 6 points.


Assuming that is accepted as fact that he sold the car, how could he permit driving a car which he had no legal or physical control over?


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