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post Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 14:52
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https://www.waze.com

Now then, AFAIK, if you flash other motorists to notify them of a speed trap and get caught, you can be prosecuted for it LINKY

This app (Which could be used by a passenger) allows you to report speed traps, of which many are reported on a daily basis.

So.... the question is, are you committing an offence in reporting the locations of speed traps?


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post Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 15:33
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QUOTE (trubster @ Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 15:52) *
So.... the question is, are you committing an offence in reporting the locations of speed traps?


Possibly handling a mobile phone or driving without due care while you fiddle around with your phone app.

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post Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 15:52
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QUOTE (trubster @ Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 15:52) *
https://www.waze.com

Now then, AFAIK, if you flash other motorists to notify them of a speed trap and get caught, you can be prosecuted for it LINKY

This app (Which could be used by a passenger) allows you to report speed traps, of which many are reported on a daily basis.

So.... the question is, are you committing an offence in reporting the locations of speed traps?

No
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post Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 15:54
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QUOTE (The Slithy Tove @ Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 16:33) *
QUOTE (trubster @ Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 15:52) *
So.... the question is, are you committing an offence in reporting the locations of speed traps?


Possibly handling a mobile phone or driving without due care while you fiddle around with your phone app.

I know that... but that wasn't the question.

As pointed out in my OP, a passenger could have reported it

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QUOTE (trubster @ Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 15:52) *
https://www.waze.com

Now then, AFAIK, if you flash other motorists to notify them of a speed trap and get caught, you can be prosecuted for it LINKY

This app (Which could be used by a passenger) allows you to report speed traps, of which many are reported on a daily basis.

So.... the question is, are you committing an offence in reporting the locations of speed traps?

No

But you are if you flash your headlights at another road user?


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TRUBSTER v Meadowhall Shopping Centre Limited and Parking Control Management UK Limited (PCM)
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A BLUE BADGE is not valid on private land and a Parking Company insisting on one is an unfair term and discrimination
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post Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 16:06
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Only if they catch you flashing your headlights. Given your generally moving away from and they are behind you .....


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post Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 16:08
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QUOTE (trubster @ Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 16:54) *
QUOTE (sgtdixie @ Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 16:52) *
QUOTE (trubster @ Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 15:52) *
https://www.waze.com

Now then, AFAIK, if you flash other motorists to notify them of a speed trap and get caught, you can be prosecuted for it LINKY

This app (Which could be used by a passenger) allows you to report speed traps, of which many are reported on a daily basis.

So.... the question is, are you committing an offence in reporting the locations of speed traps?

No

But you are if you flash your headlights at another road user?

There is a profound difference between adding a location of a speed enforcement Op to an App and flashing at someone committing a criminal offence to prevent them being caught. That is why he was convicted. Not because he flashed, but because the Police could prove he flashed drivers who were actually speeding and would have been caught had he not done what he did. So no real comparison between the 2.
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post Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 16:21
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QUOTE (sgtdixie @ Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 17:08) *
There is a profound difference between adding a location of a speed enforcement Op to an App and flashing at someone committing a criminal offence to prevent them being caught. That is why he was convicted. Not because he flashed, but because the Police could prove he flashed drivers who were actually speeding and would have been caught had he not done what he did. So no real comparison between the 2.

To be explicit, by reporting the location of speed cameras, you are encouraging compliance with the law - otherwise the police would be charging councils with obstruction for all those speed camera warning signs they put up to stop the police catching anyone in their speed traps (not that it seems to help).
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QUOTE (sgtdixie @ Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 17:08) *
That is why he was convicted. Not because he flashed, but because the Police could prove he flashed drivers who were actually speeding and would have been caught had he not done what he did.

That's the critical point. There've also been cases that have gone the other way, because it wasn't proved that the drivers were speeding in the first place. It's not an offence in itself (in this country anyway - don't try it in France!) to warn people of the presence of a speed trap.


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post Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 19:12
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QUOTE (sgtdixie @ Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 17:08) *
QUOTE (trubster @ Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 16:54) *
QUOTE (sgtdixie @ Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 16:52) *
QUOTE (trubster @ Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 15:52) *
https://www.waze.com

Now then, AFAIK, if you flash other motorists to notify them of a speed trap and get caught, you can be prosecuted for it LINKY

This app (Which could be used by a passenger) allows you to report speed traps, of which many are reported on a daily basis.

So.... the question is, are you committing an offence in reporting the locations of speed traps?

No

But you are if you flash your headlights at another road user?

There is a profound difference between adding a location of a speed enforcement Op to an App and flashing at someone committing a criminal offence to prevent them being caught. That is why he was convicted. Not because he flashed, but because the Police could prove he flashed drivers who were actually speeding and would have been caught had he not done what he did. So no real comparison between the 2.


So if he had played dumb about the speed trap "I didn't see it" and just said "I noticed speeding drivers and as a concerned citizen flashed at them in an attempt to get them to slow down" then he would have escaped prosecution?
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post Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 20:27
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Police Forces advertise their enforcement locations on their own websites.
No need for an App
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post Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 20:30
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QUOTE (Glitch @ Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 20:12) *
So if he had played dumb about the speed trap "I didn't see it" and just said "I noticed speeding drivers and as a concerned citizen flashed at them in an attempt to get them to slow down" then he would have escaped prosecution?


Maybe but he could still have been prosecuted and the court would have decided what his intention was.


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post Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 21:46
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Thats one of the most annoying apps I downloaded back when I got it. Weren't enough users on it in my area to justify running it.

Cameralert is much better, although is not real time.
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post Thu, 7 Aug 2014 - 07:49
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 21:30) *
QUOTE (Glitch @ Wed, 6 Aug 2014 - 20:12) *
So if he had played dumb about the speed trap "I didn't see it" and just said "I noticed speeding drivers and as a concerned citizen flashed at them in an attempt to get them to slow down" then he would have escaped prosecution?


Maybe but he could still have been prosecuted and the court would have decided what his intention was.

Many people claim their actions are innocent at court. Many courts don't believe them and a driver who passes a speed trap and then flashes speeding oncoming vehicles is unlikely to be able to convince his mum, let alone a court, it was a coincidence.
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Why wouldn't the partnership want everyone flashing after all it's about getting people to slow down isn't it?

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QUOTE (fedup2 @ Thu, 7 Aug 2014 - 09:54) *
Why wouldn't the partnership want everyone flashing after all it's about getting people to slow down isn't it?


Its supposed to be about safety and slowing people down isn't it so flashing the headlights achieved that goal?


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It isn't about slowing people down to a legal speed. It is about encouraging people not to speed and catching them if they do.

Take the analogy of a burglar. The Police patrol an area trying to dissuade people from breaking into property. If someone does commit a burglary and is then tipped off the Police are about and thus they make their escape undetected the person tipping off the burglar may well commit an offence. If however he tells Billy Burglar the Police are about before he commits the crime he has done nothing wrong. The same application as in speeding cases.
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QUOTE (sgtdixie @ Thu, 7 Aug 2014 - 12:52) *
It isn't about slowing people down to a legal speed. It is about encouraging people not to speed and catching them if they do.

Take the analogy of a burglar. The Police patrol an area trying to dissuade people from breaking into property. If someone does commit a burglary and is then tipped off the Police are about and thus they make their escape undetected the person tipping off the burglar may well commit an offence. If however he tells Billy Burglar the Police are about before he commits the crime he has done nothing wrong. The same application as in speeding cases.


But if they see someone about to break in and convince them that it isn't a good idea before they do ......


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QUOTE (delusional driver @ Thu, 7 Aug 2014 - 14:09) *
QUOTE (sgtdixie @ Thu, 7 Aug 2014 - 12:52) *
It isn't about slowing people down to a legal speed. It is about encouraging people not to speed and catching them if they do.

Take the analogy of a burglar. The Police patrol an area trying to dissuade people from breaking into property. If someone does commit a burglary and is then tipped off the Police are about and thus they make their escape undetected the person tipping off the burglar may well commit an offence. If however he tells Billy Burglar the Police are about before he commits the crime he has done nothing wrong. The same application as in speeding cases.


But if they see someone about to break in and convince them that it isn't a good idea before they do ......

Your point is?
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post Thu, 7 Aug 2014 - 14:13
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That flashing someone who is obviously speeding is a way of telling them not to. You can argue on both that you are preventing someone getting caught or that you are endeavouring to get someone to comply with the law. Concede I didn't spot the bit on your post about telling Billy Burgler that that the police are about still think it could be a grey area when it comes to proof of intention


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Misuse of headlights is an offence in it's own right.
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