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ParkingNovice01
post Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 16:40
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Hi,

I was driving my car on 14th Feb around North Greenwich and driven through a restricted bus stop on millennium way which has a camera controlled enforcement which has recently come in force. I did not stop even for a second but driven through the bus stop.
I have now received a PCN with contravention as 47J - Stopped on a restricted bus stop or stand (camera enforcement)

Council has provided a video evidence but this evidence clearly shows that I am driving through and did not stop.
https://youtu.be/8o10qJCXwJg


Could anyone please guide me on how I should appeal and if there is any chance of appeal success?

Thanks

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post Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 16:46
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No stopping = no contravention so it is a simple challenge, referring them to their own video.

You could post the PCN and video so we can check. We've seen lots of PCNs at this location.

Put pics on https://imgbb.com or such like as space on forum is limited. Set uploads not to autodelete if signed up and using https://imgbb.com

Put videos on Youtube, Vimeo or such like.
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post Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 17:11
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I'd like to see the video, for curiousity if nothing else but also just in case you are seeing what you want and not what it there (it happens) please post it.

Assuming it shows what you say then a challenge is simple.
Contravention did not occur
Your video shows that I did not stop.
Thank you in anticipation of cancellation of this PCN
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post Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 17:16
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QUOTE (stamfordman @ Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 16:46) *
No stopping = no contravention so it is a simple challenge, referring them to their own video.

You could post the PCN and video so we can check. We've seen lots of PCNs at this location.

Put pics on https://imgbb.com or such like as space on forum is limited. Set uploads not to autodelete if signed up and using https://imgbb.com

Put videos on Youtube, Vimeo or such like.


The Pictures are as below:
https://ibb.co/fYZk1dQ
https://ibb.co/Jjk2hHF

The video is uploaded at below URL:
https://youtu.be/8o10qJCXwJg

Thanks.
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DancingDad
post Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 17:19
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That it?
8 seconds of a vehicle not stopping?

Them 'aving a laff.
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post Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 18:06
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So lt's be honest. You did stop but the camera didn't catch you. Is that it?


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post Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 18:20
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 18:06) *
So lt's be honest. You did stop but the camera didn't catch you. Is that it?

biggrin.gif You can't lie to the camera, can you?
I did not stop at all. I was just driving through. To be honest I was looking for a place to stop to click some pics but I did not find any place to stop so I kept driving. I have lived around this area and I know its infested with cameras so I am careful of where I stop but this time I got PCN without being stopped.

Are we not allowed to drive through restricted bus stops specially when they are on a side lane like in this case? Can this be the reason of Contravention?

What shall I say in my challenge to PCN?

Thanks.

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post Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 18:33
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QUOTE (ParkingNovice01 @ Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 18:20) *
Can this be the reason of Contravention?

No.


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post Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 18:41
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QUOTE (Neil B @ Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 18:33) *
QUOTE (ParkingNovice01 @ Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 18:20) *
Can this be the reason of Contravention?

No.


Thanks Neil B. How should I challenge it? What should I write in the challenge?

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QUOTE (ParkingNovice01 @ Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 18:41) *
QUOTE (Neil B @ Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 18:33) *
QUOTE (ParkingNovice01 @ Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 18:20) *
Can this be the reason of Contravention?

No.


Thanks Neil B. How should I challenge it? What should I write in the challenge?

Thanks

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You can bulk it out a bit, but the essence is there. You could also suggest they visit the nearest branch of Specsavers !
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post Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 18:56
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Just to keep it short and sweet. But be aware that Greenwich has been messing up paperwork recently. If they accept online reps, I would submit only in the method(s) noted on the PCN and take screenshots. Hopefully you will get an email conformation.

Dear parking,

I am making representations against the PCN on the ground that the contravention did not occur.

At no time did I stop on the bus stop, and your video evidence shows my car moving at all times.

I trust you will see that the PCN has been issued in error and look forward to your early confirmation.
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post Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 19:31
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Can't really say anything more than that. Neither do you need to.


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QUOTE (Neil B @ Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 19:31) *
Can't really say anything more than that. Neither do you need to.


but if they do reject then a cost award is on the cards at adjudication


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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 20:14) *
QUOTE (Neil B @ Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 19:31) *
Can't really say anything more than that. Neither do you need to.


but if they do reject then a cost award is on the cards at adjudication

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ParkingNovice01
post Fri, 26 Feb 2021 - 10:05
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QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 20:14) *
QUOTE (Neil B @ Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 19:31) *
Can't really say anything more than that. Neither do you need to.


but if they do reject then a cost award is on the cards at adjudication


Sorry, what do you mean? If they reject my appeal, I can take it any further or I need to pay?
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post Fri, 26 Feb 2021 - 10:33
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QUOTE (ParkingNovice01 @ Fri, 26 Feb 2021 - 10:05) *
QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 20:14) *
QUOTE (Neil B @ Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 19:31) *
Can't really say anything more than that. Neither do you need to.


but if they do reject then a cost award is on the cards at adjudication


Sorry, what do you mean? If they reject my appeal, I can take it any further or I need to pay?

We are just lookng ahead...a what if situation.

You are going to send in a Challenge to the PCN.
Authority will consider and given what they seem to have, should cancel.
If they don't and have the bare faced nerve to reject your challenge (which has been known), you get the chance to Appeal.
The Appeal is to independent adjudicators.
Should it get that far, I cannot see any of them spending more then 20 seconds viewing the video, once as a matter of routine, then again to check they are not seeing things.... then they will cancel the PCN.
That is the point we ask for costs.... not worth a lot
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post Sat, 27 Feb 2021 - 11:41
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Fri, 26 Feb 2021 - 10:33) *
QUOTE (ParkingNovice01 @ Fri, 26 Feb 2021 - 10:05) *
QUOTE (PASTMYBEST @ Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 20:14) *
QUOTE (Neil B @ Thu, 25 Feb 2021 - 19:31) *
Can't really say anything more than that. Neither do you need to.


but if they do reject then a cost award is on the cards at adjudication


Sorry, what do you mean? If they reject my appeal, I can take it any further or I need to pay?

We are just lookng ahead...a what if situation.

You are going to send in a Challenge to the PCN.
Authority will consider and given what they seem to have, should cancel.
If they don't and have the bare faced nerve to reject your challenge (which has been known), you get the chance to Appeal.
The Appeal is to independent adjudicators.
Should it get that far, I cannot see any of them spending more then 20 seconds viewing the video, once as a matter of routine, then again to check they are not seeing things.... then they will cancel the PCN.
That is the point we ask for costs.... not worth a lot

Thanks DancingDad!
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