FMOTL heading for a fall?, Aldi/PE discussion. |
FMOTL heading for a fall?, Aldi/PE discussion. |
Sun, 3 Feb 2019 - 20:23
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,898 Joined: 15 Dec 2007 From: South of John O'Groats, north of Cape Town. Member No.: 16,066 |
There's quite an amusing exchange on a local Facebook group.
A guy fears that he has overstayed his welcome at the local Aldi and will he get a ticket? Wait 14 days, etc. Then in jump the 'ignorers,' the 'appealers,' the doomsayers insisting that jail and ruin awaits...etc., etc., etc., I, of course, have posted a link to this site with a strong recommendation thyat they come here for advice. Then this exchange happens: Mrs Reasonable: Mr FMOTL, you are categorically wrong. Mr FMOTL: Mrs Reasonable, I am not wrong, as it's unlawful for them to act in any way. If you live in fear, and under the political shambles of the nazi government, then crack on, pay your money out. It's because they have people living in fear and paying out, that they do this. I will challenge any judge, jury or policy orificer with this, and I will beat them. Self education gives you power, and that power gives you freedom!! Mrs Reasonable: You are wrong. It isn't unlawful for them to issue you an invoice for contravening their terms, and it's not unlawful for them to take you to court and win if you ignore their letters. This is well tested in case law. I don't know why you think it wouldn't apply to you. Mr FMOTL: Mrs Reasonable, as I am "off grid" then only common law applies to me. Same as my vehicle, I have taken the jurisdiction away from the DVLA by deregistering my vehicle from their records, and move freely, as I am not living under statutes and acts of parliament. If any of it was law, then it would be called laws of parliament. The arseholes that sit on any court bench are as corrupt as the government, and all courts are administration courts. No consent given to deal or trade with them. Same as the policy farce, no consent given so they cannot tell me what to do. I AM AWAKE!! Just wish everyone would wake up! Mrs Reasonable: Yes if you're driving on the road without the DVLA knowing then what you are doing is illegal. I am looking forward to the next installment! -------------------- Cabbyman 11 PPCs 0
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Sun, 3 Feb 2019 - 20:23
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Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 15:44
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Member Group: Members Posts: 2,356 Joined: 30 Jun 2008 From: Landan Member No.: 20,731 |
Judge: "There's a simple way for me to prove jurisdiction to you, and that would be for me to ask the Deputy to take you into custody." Which seems to be the point that FMOTL types miss - ultimately the law is what the state says it is, because by definition the state has the power to impose it. Claiming to be independent of the state and not recognising its laws is all very well, but if you're in the territory it controls... Quite, you could take the view that even if everything the FMOTL brigade say is correct, and the judges and police and prison officials are corrupt, and they are all guilty of kidnapping and false imprisonment for locking them up... at the end of the day they're still going to end up locked in a small room with bars on the window. Therefore FMOTL arguments should not be used because the corrupt police, judges and prison officers will kidnap you if you try and argue the "truth", hence it's better not to. Obvious to you and me, but not to thee. Indeed, they often do take the view that everyone involved in law enforcement, the courts and the legal profession is corrupt, but they never seem to connect the dots, and persist in trying to explain how and why everyone else is wrong. But what's the point? We're all "corrupt"! --Churchmouse |
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Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 18:40
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,283 Joined: 5 Jan 2012 Member No.: 52,178 |
Obvious to you and me, but not to thee. Indeed, they often do take the view that everyone involved in law enforcement, the courts and the legal profession is corrupt, but they never seem to connect the dots, and persist in trying to explain how and why everyone else is wrong. But what's the point? We're all "corrupt"! Oh no! It must be the Deep State at work. I knew Trump was right! |
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Mon, 4 Mar 2019 - 16:49
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,214 Joined: 24 Mar 2013 From: Scotland Member No.: 60,732 |
My recent favourite was the guy who tried the "I'm not driving, I'm travelling" or similar nonsense and not only got dragged out of the car and tasered, but his trousers fell down in the process. All in front of his admiring family.
https://theworldnews.net/gb-news/know-it-al...reaking-the-law https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7591935/drive...ntaxed-car-law/ |
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Mon, 4 Mar 2019 - 17:00
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Webmaster Group: Root Admin Posts: 8,205 Joined: 30 Mar 2003 From: Wokingham, UK Member No.: 2 |
The most accurate part of that fiasco was right at the end from his wife to the kids: "You can't help him, darling, you can't help him.".
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Mon, 4 Mar 2019 - 17:28
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Member Group: Members Posts: 26,655 Joined: 6 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,048 |
The most accurate part of that fiasco was right at the end from his wife to the kids: "You can't help him, darling, you can't help him.". Nice well spoken kids -------------------- All advice is given freely. It is given without guarantee and responsibility for its use rests with the user
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Mon, 4 Mar 2019 - 19:50
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,140 Joined: 19 Jun 2004 From: Surrey Member No.: 1,326 |
I like the way he says the Law doesn't apply to him, then says he'll get the copper done for misconduct in a public office, as if they do apply when convenient for him.
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Tue, 5 Mar 2019 - 10:05
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Member Group: Members Posts: 25,726 Joined: 28 Jun 2010 From: Area 51 Member No.: 38,559 |
Eeeh Lad
I feel a Daily Mail moment coming on. If he believes that they are applying the laws of the sea, then he has keelhauling to look forward to |
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Tue, 5 Mar 2019 - 11:16
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Member Group: Members Posts: 3,768 Joined: 17 Mar 2013 Member No.: 60,602 |
Eeeh Lad I feel a Daily Mail moment coming on. If he believes that they are applying the laws of the sea, then he has keelhauling to look forward to Plus rum, sodomy & the lash. -------------------- British Parking Association Ltd Code of Practice(Appendix C contains Schedule 4 of POFA 2012 ) & can be found here http://www.britishparking.co.uk/Code-of-Pr...ance-monitoring
DfT Guidance on Section 56 and Schedule 4 of POFA 2012 https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/syste...ing-charges.pdf Damning OFT advice on levels of parking charges that was ignored by the BPA Ltd Reference Request Number: IAT/FOIA/135010 – 12 October 2012 |
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Tue, 5 Mar 2019 - 20:15
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,898 Joined: 15 Dec 2007 From: South of John O'Groats, north of Cape Town. Member No.: 16,066 |
Interesting surname! Any connection to our friends in Sheffield????
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Tue, 5 Mar 2019 - 20:31
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
"I'll stay in the driver's conveyance system" LMAO
However the copper is wrong when he says he's not committed a criminal offence. This post has been edited by cp8759: Tue, 5 Mar 2019 - 20:31 -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Wed, 6 Mar 2019 - 13:57
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Member Group: Members Posts: 1,214 Joined: 24 Mar 2013 From: Scotland Member No.: 60,732 |
Here's his side of the story .. https://www.deanrenshaw.co.uk/police-brutality
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Wed, 6 Mar 2019 - 14:37
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Here's his side of the story .. https://www.deanrenshaw.co.uk/police-brutality Interestingly, despite him saying the usual laws don’t apply to him, he’s made sure his scrap collection business is fully licensed. |
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Wed, 6 Mar 2019 - 16:50
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Here's his side of the story .. https://www.deanrenshaw.co.uk/police-brutality Interestingly, despite him saying the usual laws don’t apply to him, he’s made sure his scrap collection business is fully licensed. Maybe that's because he thinks commerce comes under the laws of the sea, hence making his transit van a "ship". It'll be interesting if he tries to arrest the magistrates for treason... -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Mon, 11 Mar 2019 - 17:29
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
So apparently so many people have tried FMOTL drivel that Dundee City Council has got a dedicated templated paragraph to deal with such claims, see the very last entry here: http://bit.ly/2NWGLWI
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Mon, 11 Mar 2019 - 18:35
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I'm not sure that's a template - the whole thing looks more like a compilation of responses to claims they hadn't previously encountered.
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Mon, 11 Mar 2019 - 19:00
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Member Group: Members Posts: 25,726 Joined: 28 Jun 2010 From: Area 51 Member No.: 38,559 |
Here's his side of the story .. https://www.deanrenshaw.co.uk/police-brutality Within that lot he embeds Article 39... No free man......etc. Seems to have forgotten the caveat at the end, maybe he didn't read that far ? "....or by the law of the land" Obviously no laws have been enacted since Magna Carta..... errr???? |
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Mon, 11 Mar 2019 - 23:12
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
I'm not sure that's a template - the whole thing looks more like a compilation of responses to claims they hadn't previously encountered. That may well be how they collated it in the first place, but they're templated paragraphs ready to be dropped into this templated letter: http://bit.ly/2UxiPvI specifically where it says <text from standard paragraphs>, many councils that don't use software like Response Master have a similar setup. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Tue, 12 Mar 2019 - 00:41
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Webmaster Group: Root Admin Posts: 8,205 Joined: 30 Mar 2003 From: Wokingham, UK Member No.: 2 |
They're not really templates when they include specific dates, for example.
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Tue, 12 Mar 2019 - 14:09
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
They're not really templates when they include specific dates, for example. They've told me they're used as templates and I believe them. The fact that they haven't replaced the dates with placeholders doesn't alter my view. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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