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POPLA assessors are not legally trained, Recorded in Hansard
Redivi
post Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 09:02
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Member of the House of Lords did not have a good experience
IAS isn't well thought of either

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Lord Lucas in the House of Lords. "In my one involvement with Popla, I was astonished by how little the person conducting the appeal understood about the law of the land.
I do not think that they had any legal training at all." Source Hansard: https://hansard.parliament.uk/Lords/2019-01...OfPractice)Bill


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POPLA (Parking on Private Land Appeals) is available in England and Wales for the majority motorists who receive a ticket on private land by one of our Approved Operators. Please note POPLA is not currently available in Scotland or Ireland #popla #parking http://www.britishparking.co.uk/POPLA


Neil O'Doherty
@eaglepeaknaod
23 hours ago

Replying to @NoToMob
I’d be interested to see if anyone did a similar review of the IAS run by the @_theIPC was any better or worse...of course I couldn’t possibly comment...


@NoToMob
22 hours ago

You might want to check out the Prankster's various blog pages on the subject of Will Hurley, John Davies, Gladstones solicitors and the IAS.
Here is your starter for 10 http://parking-prankster.blogspot.com/2018/03/


@NoToMob
22 hours ago

More
They also get a dishonorable mention in Hansard (Column 9 - Stephen Doughty): https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/2018-...l(FirstSitting)


Neil O'Doherty
‏@eaglepeaknaod
21 hours ago

I’ve done a lot of digging on them!


RealityCheck
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22 hours ago

Replying to @NoToMob
My experience with POPLA was they were very fair.
My experience with the Independent Appeals Service run my the Mickey Mouse IPC was that it isn't independent and deeply flawed decisions and process
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post Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 09:39
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Redivi
post Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 09:47
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And bears wear funny hats in the woods

This wasn't true of the original service provider that did use legally qualified assessors
In fairness, it took a while before we had official confirmation of our suspicions about the new service :

Assessors are only interested in whether the parking notices were correctly issued and not whether the payments are legally owed
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post Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 11:18
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QUOTE (Redivi @ Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 10:47) *
Assessors are only interested in whether the parking notices were correctly issued and not whether the payments are legally owed

To be fair that applied at old POPLA as well.

POPLA is not equipped to handle complex arguments, that requires something akin to a tribunal hearing or court hearing which is not feasible, thus properly issued (including PoFA compliance) is about as good as it can be, it still results in about 50% of submitted appeals having the notices cancelled by either POPLA or the PPC.

I do agree we have seen some poor rulings from new POPLA and lack of legal training was in some cases certainly a factor.

The one area I see where I think it could be improved is residential, POPLA should be able to accept that the landholder is and that the PPC doesn't have the required landholder consent to operate.


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There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!

S172's
Rookies 1-0 Kent

Council PCN's
Rookies 1-0 Warwick
Rookies 1-0 Birmingham

PPC PCN's
Rookies 8-0 PPC's
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post Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 11:53
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 11:18) *
The one area I see where I think it could be improved is residential, POPLA should be able to accept that the landholder is and that the PPC doesn't have the required landholder consent to operate.

Anecdotally at least, the majority of residential cases seem to be IPC where POPLA is not available. Likewise, most residential tickets seem to head to a claim - it seems good business to sue residents parking in the their own car parks (even gated one with fob only access!)

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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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post Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 13:58
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 11:18) *
QUOTE (Redivi @ Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 10:47) *
Assessors are only interested in whether the parking notices were correctly issued and not whether the payments are legally owed

To be fair that applied at old POPLA as well.

POPLA is not equipped to handle complex arguments, that requires something akin to a tribunal hearing or court hearing which is not feasible, thus properly issued (including PoFA compliance) is about as good as it can be, it still results in about 50% of submitted appeals having the notices cancelled by either POPLA or the PPC.

I do agree we have seen some poor rulings from new POPLA and lack of legal training was in some cases certainly a factor.

The one area I see where I think it could be improved is residential, POPLA should be able to accept that the landholder is and that the PPC doesn't have the required landholder consent to operate.

It is the lack of transparency and accountability that annoys me greatly. Fellow assessors replying to complaints and generally covering each others backs.
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