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mickR
post Sun, 10 Feb 2019 - 11:07
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Are there any actual bylaws or regulated restrictions at Heathrow which apply to the drop off parking area to prevent pick up?
Pick up is supposed to be from the designated parking area which is a paid for area.
If a passenger is waiting outside in the free drop off area for instant pick up would this contravene any bylaw or restriction?
I can only find references which appear to be a request ie "should use then pick up area" and that "waiting" is not allowed in drop off.

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post Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 00:41
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It's worth pointing out that Heathrow, Gatwick and Luton all allow the public to use the Long Stay Car Parks for up to 2 hours free of charge; and Stansted allow 1 hour free in the Mid Stay Car Park. Sure it means taking a shuttle bus to and from the Terminals, but it avoids worrying about potentially breaching the Byelaws.
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post Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 03:53
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Heathrow Airport is private property, the boundary being the perimeter road, so most Traffic Laws don't apply - hence the bye laws.

What makes you think most road traffic enactments don't apply? Being private property isn't relevant to most of them.


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post Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 10:18
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 03:53) *
QUOTE (DastardlyDick @ Mon, 11 Feb 2019 - 18:37) *
Heathrow Airport is private property, the boundary being the perimeter road, so most Traffic Laws don't apply - hence the bye laws.

What makes you think most road traffic enactments don't apply? Being private property isn't relevant to most of them.


My thought were that some roads did in fact fall under them. There is reference to that point in the bylaws. However I can't find a way to check
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post Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 10:54
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As a rule of thumb they apply on any road readily accessible to the public, such as Heathrow's access roads, that's my understanding.


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post Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 11:54
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 10:54) *
As a rule of thumb they apply on any road readily accessible to the public, such as Heathrow's access roads, that's my understanding.

I don't know about Heathrow but the access roads around Stansted are not highways, see the Highways Act notice here on the left: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.8853358,0...33;8i6656?hl=en


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post Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 17:03
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"Normal private parking tickets are based on contract law and breaches would be enforced in a civil court as a small claim. However a byelaw breach would ultimately be enforced in a magistrates court"

From parking pranksters

The traffic orders I have posted above. The relevant forum is surely council fines though the POFA maybe relevant as PPC access DVLA for details but the land is obviously not relevant as Act excludes that under an authority. Councils employ PPC and their wardens issue fines not charges. I haven't the time to read Airports Act and to what extent it's an authority as in little government. It does appear however that in publishing traffic orders for consultation that the powers are enforceable by the state.

I guess where there's ambiguity there's hope with POPLA then in the Magistrates Court. The Airport not the PPC have to establish evidence is satisfactory for a conviction.

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post Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 17:19
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QUOTE (chapinahat @ Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 17:03) *
The Airport not the PPC have to establish evidence is satisfactory for a conviction.


Does that not depend on who issued the ticket and who brought the claim? And if the PPC, the relationship between PPC and airport?


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post Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 17:25
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Do the police prosecute or the CPS? Does the wardens employer or the Council prosecute?

Two questions and for legislative reasons two very different explanations

Prosecution and conviction are terms used in Criminal Law.

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post Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 17:38
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QUOTE (chapinahat @ Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 17:25) *
Do the police prosecute or the CPS? Does the wardens employer or the Council prosecute?

Two questions and for legislative reasons two very different explanations

Prosecution and conviction are terms used in Criminal Law.

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Relevance to civil claims is what exactly?


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post Wed, 13 Feb 2019 - 00:12
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QUOTE (peterguk @ Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 17:38) *
QUOTE (chapinahat @ Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 17:25) *
Do the police prosecute or the CPS? Does the wardens employer or the Council prosecute?

Two questions and for legislative reasons two very different explanations

Prosecution and conviction are terms used in Criminal Law.

ATB


Relevance to civil claims is what exactly?

I haven't looked into it at all but I imagine contravening a bylaw under the Airports Act is an offence, similar to how parking matters at railways can be criminal offences under the railway bylaws.


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post Wed, 13 Feb 2019 - 07:00
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The provisions in Schedule 4 are intended to apply only on private land
in England and Wales. Public highways are excluded as well as any
parking places on public land which are either provided or controlled by a
local authority (or other government body). Any land which already has
statutory controls in relation to the parking of vehicles (such as byelaws
applying to airports, ports and some railway station car parks) is also excluded

From POFA guidance

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post Wed, 13 Feb 2019 - 19:56
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Tue, 12 Feb 2019 - 03:53) *
QUOTE (DastardlyDick @ Mon, 11 Feb 2019 - 18:37) *
Heathrow Airport is private property, the boundary being the perimeter road, so most Traffic Laws don't apply - hence the bye laws.

What makes you think most road traffic enactments don't apply? Being private property isn't relevant to most of them.


Because that's what it says in the Bye Laws.
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post Thu, 14 Feb 2019 - 08:46
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That’s not what it says in the Byelaws at all though, in fact it states parts only apply where RTEs don’t.

Page 2 https://www.heathrow.com/file_source/Heathr...yelaws_2014.pdf

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post Thu, 14 Feb 2019 - 10:29
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Sections 5 and 6.

The only reference I can find that might apply to my initial question is section 3.30 not complying with a sign. ??
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