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mickR
post Sun, 10 Feb 2019 - 11:07
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Are there any actual bylaws or regulated restrictions at Heathrow which apply to the drop off parking area to prevent pick up?
Pick up is supposed to be from the designated parking area which is a paid for area.
If a passenger is waiting outside in the free drop off area for instant pick up would this contravene any bylaw or restriction?
I can only find references which appear to be a request ie "should use then pick up area" and that "waiting" is not allowed in drop off.

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So what have you actually received?
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post Sun, 10 Feb 2019 - 13:49
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It's a question to evaluate whether or not there is actually any actionable restriction.
I considered posting in flame pit but think this requires the attention of parking issue members
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post Sun, 10 Feb 2019 - 14:04
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What signage is there? Who's name is on it?


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post Sun, 10 Feb 2019 - 14:20
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Hi

I believe T3 road way to be legally designated so this thread maybe better in the Council


https://m.thegazette.co.uk/notice/2940882

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post Sun, 10 Feb 2019 - 17:58
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Am I missing something??
heathrow bylaws

Can't find the TRO ! Anyone help?

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post Sun, 10 Feb 2019 - 18:39
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People saying there are signs £40 penalty for picking up.
But under what authority??
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post Sun, 10 Feb 2019 - 19:48
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What class of vehicle are you anticipating using? A little more information will probably elicit a little more help!


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post Sun, 10 Feb 2019 - 20:18
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QUOTE (mickR @ Sun, 10 Feb 2019 - 18:39) *
People saying there are signs £40 penalty for picking up.


Did any of those people get a photo of the signs?

Lots of posts/info:

Google "heathrow passenger pick up £40 penalty"


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post Sun, 10 Feb 2019 - 20:29
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3-4 years old! I have picked up from T5 departures a number of times since then. Providing my passenger is ready and waiting, as verified by phone, a couple of seconds to board has never attracted any attention to me.

As I said, rather than pulling teeth, if the OP could give some more information as to his thought processes and precisely what scenario he is envisaging, it would be a lot easier to have a meaningful discussion.


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post Sun, 10 Feb 2019 - 20:30
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I'm resigned to using the short term car park for pick ups at Heathrow and Gatwick, and have done a fair few for family recently. Did pick up outside hotel at Gatwick having retrieved car from long term car park rather than drag family to car park.

The problem is timing - you can park outside the perimeter somewhere but then you could have your passenger waiting in the rain and cold somewhere. For the sake of £5 or so it's hardly worth the hassle. The trick is to avoid the next charge band up - which I failed to do at T2 Healthrow the other day and that cost me more than £11.



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post Sun, 10 Feb 2019 - 21:32
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Using a Normal private car, Have picked up from drop off when passenger was ready and waiting there. Last time passenger said there were a few yellow jacketed attendants talking to others who were doing same as me.
The talk and threat of a penalty is one thing but can it be backed up with anything?
I can't see a bylaw appertaining to it.
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post Mon, 11 Feb 2019 - 10:22
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https://m.thegazette.co.uk/notice/2940882 are none of these TRO relevant

Needs to be in Council and similar PCN forum

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QUOTE (chapinahat @ Mon, 11 Feb 2019 - 10:22) *
Needs to be in Council and similar PCN forum

Flame Pit is where discussions belong.


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QUOTE (chapinahat @ Mon, 11 Feb 2019 - 10:22) *
https://m.thegazette.co.uk/notice/2940882 are none of these TRO relevant

Needs to be in Council and similar PCN forum

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Have you been here before? After 6 comments and someone whose account is only 2 days old, you don't appear to have done a lot of reading of the forum.

If you look at the byelaws, above, you will see that all the pick-up and drop-off points are within the airport estate. Aside from not having any relevance to the airport, bar one lane adjacent to T3, those notices are proposals and don't necessarily mean the order has been enacted yet.

QUOTE (mickR @ Sun, 10 Feb 2019 - 21:32) *
Using a Normal private car, Have picked up from drop off when passenger was ready and waiting there. Last time passenger said there were a few yellow jacketed attendants talking to others who were doing same as me.
The talk and threat of a penalty is one thing but can it be backed up with anything?
I can't see a bylaw appertaining to it.


I have seen them challenging vehicles in the past, maybe those who are waiting for a period before their passenger arrives. I have never been approached but, I am up there again on Friday; I shall see if I can get a ticket!!! tongue.gif

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QUOTE (mickR @ Sun, 10 Feb 2019 - 21:32) *
Using a Normal private car, Have picked up from drop off when passenger was ready and waiting there. Last time passenger said there were a few yellow jacketed attendants talking to others who were doing same as me.
The talk and threat of a penalty is one thing but can it be backed up with anything?
I can't see a bylaw appertaining to it.

I've not looked into it much but isn't bylaw 3.29 relevant?


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post Mon, 11 Feb 2019 - 17:29
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Mon, 11 Feb 2019 - 16:30) *
QUOTE (mickR @ Sun, 10 Feb 2019 - 21:32) *
Using a Normal private car, Have picked up from drop off when passenger was ready and waiting there. Last time passenger said there were a few yellow jacketed attendants talking to others who were doing same as me.
The talk and threat of a penalty is one thing but can it be backed up with anything?
I can't see a bylaw appertaining to it.

I've not looked into it much but isn't bylaw 3.29 relevant?



I thought that but a Private Hire Vehicle is a specific class of vehicle:

“private hire vehicle” means a motor vehicle constructed or adapted to seat [F62fewer than nine passengers], other than a hackney carriage or public service vehicle [F63or a London cab][F64or tramcar], which is provided for hire with the services of a driver for the purpose of carrying passengers; Sec 80 Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976.

A private car NOT provided for hire with the services of a driver would be outwith the definition and, I submit, not covered by byelaw 3.29.


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post Mon, 11 Feb 2019 - 17:37
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Heathrow Airport is private property, the boundary being the perimeter road, so most Traffic Laws don't apply - hence the bye laws.
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post Mon, 11 Feb 2019 - 18:51
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QUOTE (cabbyman @ Mon, 11 Feb 2019 - 17:29) *
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Mon, 11 Feb 2019 - 16:30) *
QUOTE (mickR @ Sun, 10 Feb 2019 - 21:32) *
Using a Normal private car, Have picked up from drop off when passenger was ready and waiting there. Last time passenger said there were a few yellow jacketed attendants talking to others who were doing same as me.
The talk and threat of a penalty is one thing but can it be backed up with anything?
I can't see a bylaw appertaining to it.

I've not looked into it much but isn't bylaw 3.29 relevant?



I thought that but a Private Hire Vehicle is a specific class of vehicle:

“private hire vehicle” means a motor vehicle constructed or adapted to seat [F62fewer than nine passengers], other than a hackney carriage or public service vehicle [F63or a London cab][F64or tramcar], which is provided for hire with the services of a driver for the purpose of carrying passengers; Sec 80 Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976.

A private car NOT provided for hire with the services of a driver would be outwith the definition and, I submit, not covered by byelaw 3.29.


That was my understanding of it.
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post Mon, 11 Feb 2019 - 19:39
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I could have some fun. Mine is a Hackney Carriage, licensed outside London. So, not an authorised taxi, private hire vehicle or private car, save that it could be construed as doing private hire work, as defined in the 1976 Act.


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