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Sigurd
post Wed, 14 Mar 2018 - 20:55
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Good evening all. First time poster and possibly a tad too late but here goes !
I received an invoice from Civil Enforcement in April 2016 for overstaying in Taunton Holiday Inn car park. I appealed at the time stating poor signage positions and punitive charging etc. Appeal rejected. I then made a Popla appeal which was also rejected. I waited and heard nothing from Civil Enforcement after this at all until a letter today, nearly 2 years later, asking for £100 within 14 days or the hounds of hell shall be released on me !!
Any advice as to how I should deal with this would be much appreciated.

Many thanks
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post Wed, 14 Mar 2018 - 21:09
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You'll have to wait for them to issue the court claim and then defend. They will then discontinue when faced with a defence as they don't want to go to a hearing.

The claim will probably be for around £325.


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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Sigurd
post Wed, 14 Mar 2018 - 21:22
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Thanks for reply. How would I go about a defence ? It was so long ago I had forgotten all about it until today and long ditched the correspondence from the time.
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post Wed, 14 Mar 2018 - 21:29
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There's an example defence in a recent thread. CEL seem to have issued another bulk of claims...


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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post Wed, 14 Mar 2018 - 23:25
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QUOTE (Sigurd @ Wed, 14 Mar 2018 - 21:22) *
Thanks for reply. How would I go about a defence ? It was so long ago I had forgotten all about it until today and long ditched the correspondence from the time.

It doesn't matter if you've forgotten

Civil Enforcement defences make hardly any mention of the driver's actions

As you've now learnt, never throw away a document that even hints at the possibility of a debt or legal action until the matter is confirmed to be closed
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Sigurd
post Thu, 15 Mar 2018 - 07:02
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Indeed, we live and learn. I remember after a year had passed thinking , well that’s them gone away then , and binning all the letters.
So now I need to sit tight, not respond to the letter I have received, and wait for a court letter ?
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post Thu, 15 Mar 2018 - 07:27
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Wait for a letter from CEL that refers to the Pre-action Protocol for Debt Collectors

Ignore the letters from ZZPS, a debt collector and QDR/Wright Hassall, a solicitor acting as a debt collector and which doesn't issue claims
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post Thu, 15 Mar 2018 - 08:00
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Thank you!
Can I ask for help when it comes to a defence. The ones I have found on the forum seem to be very specific to individual circumstances.
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post Thu, 15 Mar 2018 - 08:46
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QUOTE (Sigurd @ Thu, 15 Mar 2018 - 08:00) *
Thank you!
Can I ask for help when it comes to a defence. The ones I have found on the forum seem to be very specific to individual circumstances.

Of course, but there's a fairly generic one in recent threads and CEL don't contest - it's all a numbers game. For those they pay the £325 it's extremely lucrative, ironically much more profitable than the original ticket!


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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post Thu, 15 Mar 2018 - 10:33
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The CEL defences from 2017 onwards are nto at all specific. They dont really mention the drivers activities at all

CEL have so far discontinued EVERY SINGLE CLAIM we have assisted with. They do, however, make you
1) write a defence
2) write a witness statement

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Sigurd
post Thu, 15 Mar 2018 - 13:52
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Thank you . As advised, I will wait for the court letter and then ask you good people for some help and advise with what comes next
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nosferatu1001
post Thu, 15 Mar 2018 - 15:08
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its a court claim form. Not a letter.

Do your research now. Dont wait. Else you will panic when you come back and waste more time.

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Sigurd
post Sat, 21 Apr 2018 - 10:21
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Hi guys, this morning received letter from Zzps. So I guess things are moving along predictably.
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post Sat, 21 Apr 2018 - 11:09
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Completely normal

Replying to ZZPS only moves you along the letter chain a bit faster
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post Thu, 31 May 2018 - 18:03
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So that’s another letter from Zzps and now one from QDR Solicitors today. So just checking that the advice still stands to continue to ignore this as a “fake” solicitors letter ?
And assume next will be a court action letter soon?
Thanks guys x
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post Thu, 31 May 2018 - 18:10
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Yes, as a few minutes research, searching for QDR, would show you
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post Thu, 31 May 2018 - 19:22
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Sigurd
post Thu, 4 Oct 2018 - 17:24
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Evening all. Well I have finally received a County Court claim form today. Rather unfortunate timing as I am off on holiday for 2 weeks now. So I believe my first move is to go online and acknowledge the claim. Then that gives me an extra 2 weeks to provide a defence. Do I understand that correctly ?
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post Thu, 4 Oct 2018 - 18:54
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Tried to respond to the claim online and it is not recognising my claim number/password. Anyone else had this problem?
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post Thu, 4 Oct 2018 - 19:07
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Right at the beginning, you mentioned appeals that had failed. Did you identify the driver in any of those appeals or other contact with CEL or their agents?


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