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Flashed, but unaware of speed change from 30 to 20, speed sign sprayed over
theeagleman
post Fri, 3 Jan 2020 - 20:06
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Hi,

I got a flash with a company car last week (23rd Dec). I thought it was a 30mph zone (it previously was), and on my side i was driving most of the speed signs were sprayed over (graffiti). The company does deliveries and their was a delivery on that road, so did not really focus on speed sign at the beginning of the road. Post delivery and on my way to another address it flashed. I assumed it was 30mph as it was not really in a built up residental road. No 20mph was painted onto the road (as many roads are).

I have not heard anything yet from the company.

I was wondering what my options are if an NIP comes through.

Many thanks in advance
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post Fri, 3 Jan 2020 - 20:23
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Get photos ASAP!

The police have been known to discontinue in similar circumstances.


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post Sat, 4 Jan 2020 - 13:10
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http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showto...31764&st=20
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theeagleman
post Sat, 4 Jan 2020 - 23:05
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Went today and tooks pics. One of the signs was fixed, but a couple had sprayed all over still.
Also there was no prior warning of the camera on my side of the road.

It will be 14 days on monday, so how long is usually the limiit?

@Ocelot, thanks for the link to the case.
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post Sat, 4 Jan 2020 - 23:10
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Contact the highways authority responsible for the road (local council in almost all cases) and ask for a copy of the maintenance records for those signs.


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post Sat, 4 Jan 2020 - 23:17
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Camera warning signs aren't relevant.

The 14 days is only to the registered keeper - likely to be a lease company...


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Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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post Sat, 4 Jan 2020 - 23:20
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QUOTE (theeagleman @ Sat, 4 Jan 2020 - 23:05) *
Went today and tooks pics. One of the signs was fixed, but a couple had sprayed all over still.
Also there was no prior warning of the camera on my side of the road.

It will be 14 days on monday, so how long is usually the limiit?

@Ocelot, thanks for the link to the case.

There’s no need for camera warning signs.

It’s 14 days for a NIP to be sent to the registered keeper. In your case that might be the company, or more likely a lease company. There is no time limit after that (apart from 6 months to begin court action), so it could be many weeks before you hear anything.
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post Mon, 13 Jan 2020 - 19:39
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The company own the car and are the registered keeper (i.e. its not leased) and as of today (day 21) they have still not received any NIP.
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post Mon, 13 Jan 2020 - 20:27
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QUOTE (theeagleman @ Mon, 13 Jan 2020 - 19:39) *
The company own the car and are the registered keeper (i.e. its not leased) and as of today (day 21) they have still not received any NIP.

Have you seen the V5, lots of people come on here onsisting that the company own the cars only to find that they lease them, or are owned via a third party.
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post Mon, 13 Jan 2020 - 22:51
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QUOTE (Kickaha @ Mon, 13 Jan 2020 - 20:27) *
QUOTE (theeagleman @ Mon, 13 Jan 2020 - 19:39) *
The company own the car and are the registered keeper (i.e. its not leased) and as of today (day 21) they have still not received any NIP.
Have you seen the V5, lots of people come on here onsisting that the company own the cars only to find that they lease them, or are owned via a third party.


This is very true, happens a lot. Also try to ensure that whoever opens the post stamps it with a date stamp as received on that date. if you do have to mount a 14 days offence you need solid evidence.



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post Tue, 14 Jan 2020 - 18:59
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QUOTE (Logician @ Mon, 13 Jan 2020 - 22:51) *
QUOTE (Kickaha @ Mon, 13 Jan 2020 - 20:27) *
QUOTE (theeagleman @ Mon, 13 Jan 2020 - 19:39) *
The company own the car and are the registered keeper (i.e. its not leased) and as of today (day 21) they have still not received any NIP.
Have you seen the V5, lots of people come on here onsisting that the company own the cars only to find that they lease them, or are owned via a third party.


This is very true, happens a lot. Also try to ensure that whoever opens the post stamps it with a date stamp as received on that date. if you do have to mount a 14 days offence you need solid evidence.



I have not seen the V5 as the car is based in London, but registered to the main business in Oxfordshire.
They have informed that the vehicle was bought completely outright, hence no lease or 3rd party ownership.

In terms of stamping, I assume it would be a company stamp or a date written on the enveloped upon receipt?

I guess I just have to sit tight and wait to see if i hear anything.
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post Tue, 14 Jan 2020 - 20:08
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While you do not want to appear to disbelieve them, perhaps you could tactfully ask for a photocopy of the V5.

All you need is to ensure that there is evidence of the date the NIP is received, if it arrives at all. Many companies have arrangements to open mail and stamp the contents with the date received.


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post Fri, 17 Jan 2020 - 11:32
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Good idea, will do.

in the meantime i will sit tight and wait
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post Thu, 21 May 2020 - 23:12
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Thankfully nothing has come of this!
Otherwise I am sure there would have been letters and questions coming by now.
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