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tali
post Tue, 17 Jul 2018 - 20:26
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Double parked cars get booked by council traffic wardens - but astonishingly ohmy.gif , i have been told they cannot ticket cars that parked on give way junctions, cars mounted on pavements limiting pedestrian , pushchair access, wheelchairs.I have evens seen cars causing an obstruction of traffic by protruding from a junction.These maniac drivers seem to have gone out of their way to get tickets, heck, towed away , but they seem immune
Apparently , this for some reason is a Police matter ??





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post Tue, 17 Jul 2018 - 20:37
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Outside London no doubt Its a police matter. The CEO's should be asking for police help


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post Tue, 17 Jul 2018 - 22:35
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Depending on where you are in the country, police may be interested.
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=117966
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http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=121590

Councils would struggle with some of those anywhere in the country, for instance the car parked on a junction, there is just no parking contravention that applies.
Pavement parking outside of Greater London is not enforced by councils without signage being present.
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post Wed, 18 Jul 2018 - 08:26
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Tue, 17 Jul 2018 - 23:35) *
Depending on where you are in the country,

Going by the OP's previous posts, it'll be Birmingham.


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post Wed, 18 Jul 2018 - 09:02
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QUOTE (Fredd @ Wed, 18 Jul 2018 - 09:26) *
QUOTE (DancingDad @ Tue, 17 Jul 2018 - 23:35) *
Depending on where you are in the country,

Going by the OP's previous posts, it'll be Birmingham.

I hadn't looked but that does give OP something to consider.
At least West Mids Police have a record of taking this sort of ridiculous parking seriously and not just saying nowt to do with us, council sort out parking now.
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post Wed, 18 Jul 2018 - 13:06
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"Maniac drivers"?
You what, because they parked inconsiderately?
Does the OP know what mania is, I wonder.
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post Thu, 19 Jul 2018 - 19:37
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QUOTE (DancingDad @ Tue, 17 Jul 2018 - 23:35) *
Depending on where you are in the country, police may be interested.
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=117966
and
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=121590

Councils would struggle with some of those anywhere in the country, for instance the car parked on a junction, there is just no parking contravention that applies.
Pavement parking outside of Greater London is not enforced by councils without signage being present.



Im surprised that the junction parking is not a contravention -as it is causing an obstruction of traffic passage ? - i would have thought .(im not saying you're wrong btw)


QUOTE (DancingDad @ Wed, 18 Jul 2018 - 10:02) *
QUOTE (Fredd @ Wed, 18 Jul 2018 - 09:26) *
QUOTE (DancingDad @ Tue, 17 Jul 2018 - 23:35) *
Depending on where you are in the country,

Going by the OP's previous posts, it'll be Birmingham.

I hadn't looked but that does give OP something to consider.
At least West Mids Police have a record of taking this sort of ridiculous parking seriously and not just saying nowt to do with us, council sort out parking now.



Well, my friend has been in contact and WMP are a bit half hearted tbh.She had to prompt them and eventually they posted a few letters to residents (yeah that'll work with people who have a dont give a toss philosophy).
WMP say photos can be used as evidence - but they need a witness statement -which needs to handed in and checked at a Police station.Rest of it is vague-they haven't stipulated what specfic proof they actually require for date/time of parking.And when asked how far back photos can be submitted it was " a round about no longer than a week or so"

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post Thu, 19 Jul 2018 - 20:38
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Just get your local councillor involved. It's their job to chivvy the police for you.

Pavement parking is one on my peeves. We are plagued with it here. On my commute people park on the pavement around a busy mini-roundabout by a student halls of residence so pedestrians have to walk in the roundabout carriageway. Madness.
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post Thu, 19 Jul 2018 - 21:09
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Junction parking is not a contravention that councils can deal with.
Police can, dangerous parking, worth 3 points and a fine.

In the newspaper articles is a twitter link to the WMP road safety team who are the ones doing the sweeps mentioned.
Try posting the photos on that with a request that the team give a visit.

I'm usually trying to find ways to defend parking contraventions but that junction parking is simply undefendable.
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post Fri, 20 Jul 2018 - 00:30
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If you spot a car parked more than 50cm's fom the edge of the carriageway (the edge is usually denoted by a kerb stone) a PCN can be issued.
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post Fri, 20 Jul 2018 - 03:32
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My 1983 version of the Highway Code s116 tells drivers not to park within 15 yards of a bend (which would include road junctions).
Many Councils still provide DYL's at such locations, which can be enforced by CEO's.
Unsigned foot-way parking is an obstruction, enforceable by Police, but not by CEO's (unless Council requested it when applying for DCE).

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post Fri, 20 Jul 2018 - 08:28
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QUOTE (ford poplar @ Fri, 20 Jul 2018 - 04:32) *
...….Unsigned foot-way parking is an obstruction, enforceable by Police, but not by CEO's (unless Council requested it when applying for DCE).


Not quite.
Only in London do councils have blanket authority to enforce against footway parking with no signs.
Rest of the country, they can but only if they have created an appropriate TRO and placed appropriate signs.

Police also have the option if they believe relevant, to use Dangerous Parking instead of obstruction, 3 points and a fine.
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tali
post Fri, 20 Jul 2018 - 19:56
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QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Thu, 19 Jul 2018 - 21:38) *
Just get your local councillor involved. It's their job to chivvy the police for you.

Pavement parking is one on my peeves. We are plagued with it here. On my commute people park on the pavement around a busy mini-roundabout by a student halls of residence so pedestrians have to walk in the roundabout carriageway. Madness.


My friend contacted her MP last year - and response from their assistant - was to contact Police (which is correct to be fair).At local level , she hasn't contacted Councillors ,but you can bet there response will be cliched default " every house has several cars, there's no space "
She was speaking to an ex -neighbor who rents a proprty there and he said "well ,where are people supposed to park ?"
She told him "well would someone buy your property the way cars are parked wild west at junctions and pavements ? How much does that devalue your property?"
Council have also caused prob by pavementing various junctions -and robbing vital parking space -this was ironically done as a pedestrian -friendly measure (despite no record of pedestrians getting injured or hurt at junctions) .I dont know if this may be part of some EU directive ? And now those same pedestrians, elderly , wheelchair users , children have to circumvent dangerously parked cars
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post Fri, 20 Jul 2018 - 20:09
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It is one of the issues with car ownership in older, often Victorian, housing stock that has no offstreet parking to start with.
Birmingham is not alone in that, many areas are problematic.
But then it seems the council does something really stupid.
Near to myself is one of those areas, near to a high street, bus routes and train station so residents are competing with commuters and shoppers.
Was a small but well used car park.
Replaced with a Leisure Centre with no car parking to speak of.
Add leisure centre users to the list of competitors.
Opposite the leisure centre is an office block, now unused.
Had its own car parking, small but seemed to cope with the office workers and visitors.
Plans have been put forward and approved to convert to 80 flats.... with no car parking facilities, only a planned covenant that residents will not have cars.
The mind boggles.
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notmeatloaf
post Fri, 20 Jul 2018 - 22:34
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The issue to be fair as well is poor parking management as well. I have lived in areas with very limited on street parking, and very plentiful. People adapt. We have two cars now, previously we had one even though we don't really drive any more or any less.

If the police/council let things get to the situation where streets are saturated then that is a failure on their part. Obviously it is unreasonable to expect a street to give up 10% of their cars overnight because they paint DYLs around all the corners.

There is some naivety with the council/developers though. With mine the council allowed a student halls of residence to be built on the junction between ring road and three hospitals, including an A&E, on the promise students wouldn't be permitted to bring cars. Totally naive. As soon as bad/dangerous parking becomes common, it then becomes to be seen as legitimate parking.

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