PCN Bus Lane Contravention - Manchester city council |
PCN Bus Lane Contravention - Manchester city council |
Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 14:53
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Member Group: Members Posts: 86 Joined: 8 Aug 2017 Member No.: 93,428 |
This certainly was not a 'bus/taxi road only' the last time the driver visited it. That said, city centre roads do change regularly to ease traffic flows etc. Is there any things wrong with PCNs etc. with which this can be challenged please?
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Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 14:53
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Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 18:30
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Well Manchester have been losing appeals at this location for over a year now, so an appeal on the signage is almost certain to succeed at the tribunal if it is put properly. But they clearly have no intention of fixing the signage. Have a read of this: http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?s=&...t&p=1416045 and adapt it to your circumstances, post a draft here before sending it to the council.
It also looks like one the signs on the nearside has been obscured or removed, how they think this would improve things is beyond me. If you could post the video we might get a better view. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Thu, 10 Jan 2019 - 23:00
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Member Group: Members Posts: 20,919 Joined: 22 Apr 2012 Member No.: 54,455 |
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The photos show you at the notorious bus gate that has the most confusing signage of any bus lane in the UK ! Adjudicators have been excoriating about the signage, so well worth appealing this one as there are plenty of wins for this location. Manchester City Council say it's all perfection, of course. Needless to say they keep every last cent of the enormous cash stream generated here. They are thumbing their noses at the adjudicators because they have done absolutely nothing to make the restriction clearer. |
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Fri, 11 Jan 2019 - 11:51
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Member Group: Members Posts: 86 Joined: 8 Aug 2017 Member No.: 93,428 |
Well Manchester have been losing appeals at this location for over a year now, so an appeal on the signage is almost certain to succeed at the tribunal if it is put properly. But they clearly have no intention of fixing the signage. Have a read of this: http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?s=&...t&p=1416045 and adapt it to your circumstances, post a draft here before sending it to the council. It also looks like one the signs on the nearside has been obscured or removed, how they think this would improve things is beyond me. If you could post the video we might get a better view. +1 The photos show you at the notorious bus gate that has the most confusing signage of any bus lane in the UK ! Adjudicators have been excoriating about the signage, so well worth appealing this one as there are plenty of wins for this location. Manchester City Council say it's all perfection, of course. Needless to say they keep every last cent of the enormous cash stream generated here. They are thumbing their noses at the adjudicators because they have done absolutely nothing to make the restriction clearer. thank you both, i will review the other post, meanwhile is there any requirement for them to send the PCN in a certain number of days etc? i received this PCN on 10/01/19. |
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Fri, 11 Jan 2019 - 12:39
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Member Group: Members Posts: 20,919 Joined: 22 Apr 2012 Member No.: 54,455 |
They have 28 days from date of contravention, provided there is no delay in getting your details from DVLA, OR it was a hire car, when the hire company can state they are a hire company, and give your name and address. They then have another 28 days from getting your details from the hire company.
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Fri, 11 Jan 2019 - 14:23
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Member Group: Members Posts: 86 Joined: 8 Aug 2017 Member No.: 93,428 |
They have 28 days from date of contravention, provided there is no delay in getting your details from DVLA, OR it was a hire car, when the hire company can state they are a hire company, and give your name and address. They then have another 28 days from getting your details from the hire company. It is a company car however they still have delivered within 28 days. so they won the timescales battle (just) |
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Fri, 11 Jan 2019 - 14:59
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Member Group: Members Posts: 86 Joined: 8 Aug 2017 Member No.: 93,428 |
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Sat, 12 Jan 2019 - 19:43
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
If you could post the video we might get a better view. It says the video can be viewed by writing to MCC to be arranged for a viewing at a local council. Didnt realise it would be such a pain? Is it worth it? They put that on the PCN because by law they have to give you that option. However you can see the video on https://viewmypcn.co.uk/Default.aspx -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Mon, 14 Jan 2019 - 09:12
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Member Group: Members Posts: 86 Joined: 8 Aug 2017 Member No.: 93,428 |
If you could post the video we might get a better view. It says the video can be viewed by writing to MCC to be arranged for a viewing at a local council. Didnt realise it would be such a pain? Is it worth it? They put that on the PCN because by law they have to give you that option. However you can see the video on https://viewmypcn.co.uk/Default.aspx Thanks, i can see the video, how do i post it here? i assume i have to download it first somehow? |
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Mon, 14 Jan 2019 - 13:16
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Member Group: Members Posts: 86 Joined: 8 Aug 2017 Member No.: 93,428 |
Hi , i managed to download the video however i havent got enough attachment allocation to upload it here, any tips?
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Mon, 14 Jan 2019 - 15:19
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,308 Joined: 9 May 2014 Member No.: 70,515 |
Hi , i managed to download the video however i havent got enough attachment allocation to upload it here, any tips? Try this: Do not attach docs/photos, but use this method: Photo or scan. see http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=36858&st=0 for how to do it. I use Tinypic for stage 2 with no problems. Thera are other sites, such as Flickr (where the BBcodes are concealed behind the curly arrow (click on it) for sharing), https://imgbb.com/ (highly recommended by Stamfordman) and imgur, which enable you to paste the BBCodes into your post here. STAGE 1 takes care of resizing. If you use Tinypic for Stage 2, on the left each image in Tinypic is a list of links. Highlight and copy the entire link 'for forums' from the list for each image - beginning with IMG and ending /IMG (include all the square brackets [ ] ), and paste each link into your post. Each copied and pasted link will embed a thumbnail link in your post. Using the attachment method is not advised as it means quickly running out of attachment space. Redact/obscure name, address, PCN number and reg.mark. LEAVE IN all dates/times; precise location, Contravention code and description |
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Mon, 14 Jan 2019 - 18:40
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Hi , i managed to download the video however i havent got enough attachment allocation to upload it here, any tips? Upload it to youtube and post a link. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Mon, 14 Jan 2019 - 22:40
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Member Group: Members Posts: 86 Joined: 8 Aug 2017 Member No.: 93,428 |
Hi, here is the link to the video, https://youtu.be/qnY6vG6W4aU
this stretch was used 2/3 months ago with no PCN issued, so what could have been changed since, i wonder. |
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Mon, 14 Jan 2019 - 23:08
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
So they have obscured one of the signs, which I suppose is an improvement. They're now only as bad as when the tribunal allowed the first bunch of appeals roughly a year ago. Post a draft based on the thread I linked above. The final nail in the coffin could be Salih Dogan v City of London (case reference 2180198194), where it was ruled that the bus gate road marking is mandatory.
-------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Tue, 15 Jan 2019 - 14:25
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Member Group: Members Posts: 86 Joined: 8 Aug 2017 Member No.: 93,428 |
Post a draft based on the thread I linked above. The final nail in the coffin could be Salih Dogan v City of London (case reference 2180198194), where it was ruled that the bus gate road marking is mandatory. Is this to be posted to MCC or can the appeal be done online? |
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Tue, 15 Jan 2019 - 21:44
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Well post it on here first, but when it comes to sending it to the council, the PCN says you can do so online.
-------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Tue, 15 Jan 2019 - 23:56
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Member Group: Members Posts: 26,655 Joined: 6 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,048 |
So they have obscured one of the signs, which I suppose is an improvement. They're now only as bad as when the tribunal allowed the first bunch of appeals roughly a year ago. Post a draft based on the thread I linked above. The final nail in the coffin could be Salih Dogan v City of London (case reference 2180198194), where it was ruled that the bus gate road marking is mandatory. The road marking relate to sign 953 not 619 CP -------------------- All advice is given freely. It is given without guarantee and responsibility for its use rests with the user
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Wed, 16 Jan 2019 - 00:47
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
So they have obscured one of the signs, which I suppose is an improvement. They're now only as bad as when the tribunal allowed the first bunch of appeals roughly a year ago. Post a draft based on the thread I linked above. The final nail in the coffin could be Salih Dogan v City of London (case reference 2180198194), where it was ruled that the bus gate road marking is mandatory. The road marking relate to sign 953 not 619 CP You're quite right I was having a silly moment -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Wed, 16 Jan 2019 - 11:44
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Member Group: Members Posts: 86 Joined: 8 Aug 2017 Member No.: 93,428 |
So they have obscured one of the signs, which I suppose is an improvement. They're now only as bad as when the tribunal allowed the first bunch of appeals roughly a year ago. Post a draft based on the thread I linked above. The final nail in the coffin could be Salih Dogan v City of London (case reference 2180198194), where it was ruled that the bus gate road marking is mandatory. The road marking relate to sign 953 not 619 CP You're quite right I was having a silly moment Does this change the way forward? or shall i continue with drafting the appeal? |
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Wed, 16 Jan 2019 - 12:48
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Member Group: Members Posts: 26,655 Joined: 6 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,048 |
So they have obscured one of the signs, which I suppose is an improvement. They're now only as bad as when the tribunal allowed the first bunch of appeals roughly a year ago. Post a draft based on the thread I linked above. The final nail in the coffin could be Salih Dogan v City of London (case reference 2180198194), where it was ruled that the bus gate road marking is mandatory. The road marking relate to sign 953 not 619 CP You're quite right I was having a silly moment Does this change the way forward? or shall i continue with drafting the appeal? ignore post 14 -------------------- All advice is given freely. It is given without guarantee and responsibility for its use rests with the user
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