Loading on a double yellow for 5 minutes, Yet another PCN |
Loading on a double yellow for 5 minutes, Yet another PCN |
Fri, 14 Dec 2018 - 14:10
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Member Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 31 Dec 2016 Member No.: 89,365 |
Last but not least - had two PCNs for unloading/loading. This one is outside daughter's old flat where we have been loading my car. There was nowhere near the flat to park/stop so I did park on a double yellow. I informally appealed stating the difficulty of loading car and confirming my physical health is not great but no blue badge, just me and my daughter loading belongings into my car. Was observed for 5 Minutes - officer didn't see any loading going on - well we'd probably gone back into house to get more stuff - going to appeal again and look into possible representations because "although we sympathise - not cancelling" well they can *** off
This post has been edited by CatLady: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 - 19:29 |
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Fri, 14 Dec 2018 - 14:55
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Member Group: Members Posts: 26,655 Joined: 6 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,048 |
post all the docs and council pics
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Fri, 14 Dec 2018 - 17:23
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Member Group: Members Posts: 20,912 Joined: 22 Apr 2012 Member No.: 54,455 |
post all the docs and council pics +1 Must see the PCNs ! This is the response to your first informal challenge and they normally give you the Bum's Rush on these because most people then cough-up, so it's a "nice little earner" for them. It would have been better of you had got your daughter to sign a Witness Statement on the loading, plus give some indication of the nature of the goods being unloaded. As this is a legal exemption from the DYLs, you might want to stand your ground and wait for the Notice to Owner, and submit your reps again, but more robustly. However, the discount option is lost at this point, although many councils are now re-offering it to avoid the adjudication costs. Tell us more about what you were unloading. Normally it would have to be goods of a bulky or heavy nature. |
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Fri, 14 Dec 2018 - 19:39
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Member Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 31 Dec 2016 Member No.: 89,365 |
Hi I really appreciate your advice and am not ignoring your posts - its just I have been trying to compress my images for hours and I have a severe headache now and didn't even succeed, so got to stop now and try again tomz
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Fri, 14 Dec 2018 - 19:59
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
Put pics on https://imgbb.com or such like. Space on forum is limited.
This post has been edited by stamfordman: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 - 20:00 |
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Sat, 15 Dec 2018 - 12:11
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Member Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 31 Dec 2016 Member No.: 89,365 |
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Sat, 15 Dec 2018 - 12:21
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Member Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 31 Dec 2016 Member No.: 89,365 |
post all the docs and council pics +1 Must see the PCNs ! This is the response to your first informal challenge and they normally give you the Bum's Rush on these because most people then cough-up, so it's a "nice little earner" for them. It would have been better of you had got your daughter to sign a Witness Statement on the loading, plus give some indication of the nature of the goods being unloaded. As this is a legal exemption from the DYLs, you might want to stand your ground and wait for the Notice to Owner, and submit your reps again, but more robustly. However, the discount option is lost at this point, although many councils are now re-offering it to avoid the adjudication costs. Tell us more about what you were unloading. Normally it would have to be goods of a bulky or heavy nature. I could get a witness statement from daughter (any particular format requirement?). I challenged informally on-line so don't have copy of reps but basically said I was helping daughter move in my little car, van option let us down, so I was going back and forth to Craven Park and would continue to do so as no other option, just me and her. Only said her belongings, I can specify heavy boxes, black bags and small furniture. I said there was nowhere else to park, is all residents permits, which she didn't have, as temporary flat, I'm 61 & although I do not hold a blue badge my mobility is restricted |
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Sat, 15 Dec 2018 - 12:48
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Member Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 31 Dec 2016 Member No.: 89,365 |
Put pics on https://imgbb.com or such like. Space on forum is limited. Thank you!! ImgBB is so simple |
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Sat, 15 Dec 2018 - 12:54
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Member Group: Members Posts: 35,049 Joined: 2 Aug 2008 From: Woking Member No.: 21,551 |
OP, with respect can you pl post docs and respond to questions.
Both sides of the PCN pl. Their reply, leave in all dates. Do not transpose, post the docs. How far from the car was her flat/how was it accessed e.g. entrance doors, 15 flights of stairs or whatever. What was being moved? Had the items been prepared for moving beforehand? Why the above? The PCN to check for procedural compliance. How far and access to flat etc.. to explain why you were not seen during 5 minutes' observation. Items prepared.. because the exemption is loading, not flat clearing, emptying drawers and polishing horizontal surfaces |
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Sat, 15 Dec 2018 - 14:10
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Member Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 31 Dec 2016 Member No.: 89,365 |
OP, with respect can you pl post docs and respond to questions. Both sides of the PCN pl. Their reply, leave in all dates. Do not transpose, post the docs. How far from the car was her flat/how was it accessed e.g. entrance doors, 15 flights of stairs or whatever. What was being moved? Had the items been prepared for moving beforehand? Why the above? The PCN to check for procedural compliance. How far and access to flat etc.. to explain why you were not seen during 5 minutes' observation. Items prepared.. because the exemption is loading, not flat clearing, emptying drawers and polishing horizontal surfaces Was parked right outside her flat, pavement and path to ground floor flat. Everything bagged, ready to go in hallway. Numerous large bags containing books, kitchen wear in box, bedside cabinet, hoover, hard drive, large TV, clothes etc - sorry should be LOADING as this is old address. I don't know why we were not seen for 5 minutes, I didn't see enforcement officer, maybe I was in the toilet before starting drive to Craven Park. *** Furthermore - though they couldn't give a ****, maybe I was going to the toilet and sitting down for 3 minutes as have foot, hip and shoulder problems, can get proof, also offered to send daughter's tenancy agreement This post has been edited by CatLady: Sat, 15 Dec 2018 - 14:15 |
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Sat, 15 Dec 2018 - 18:31
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Well "Was parked right outside her flat, pavement and path to ground floor flat. Everything bagged, ready to go in hallway. Numerous large bags containing books, kitchen wear in box, bedside cabinet, hoover, hard drive, large TV, clothes etc " is the start of your formal representations, and any paperowrk corroborating the moving dates should also be included, when we get to that. At this point you need to wait for the Notice to Owner.
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Sat, 15 Dec 2018 - 19:31
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Member Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 31 Dec 2016 Member No.: 89,365 |
Well "Was parked right outside her flat, pavement and path to ground floor flat. Everything bagged, ready to go in hallway. Numerous large bags containing books, kitchen wear in box, bedside cabinet, hoover, hard drive, large TV, clothes etc " is the start of your formal representations, and any paperowrk corroborating the moving dates should also be included, when we get to that. At this point you need to wait for the Notice to Owner. Thank you very much - meanwhile I'll get together all corroborating evidence I can........ |
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Tue, 15 Jan 2019 - 14:43
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Member Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 31 Dec 2016 Member No.: 89,365 |
Ok I now have daughter's letter, some medical evidence etc and going to send as can't do any harm.
I now understand what you mean by redacted docs. Take out some info on tenancy agreement, medical record etc. Do you want to see before I send off? Many thanks Dee |
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Tue, 15 Jan 2019 - 21:48
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
I suggest you just post a draft of what you plan on sending to the council. Almost all the winnable cases that are lost, are lost because appeals are sent off without being reviewed on here first.
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Mon, 21 Jan 2019 - 15:04
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Member Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 31 Dec 2016 Member No.: 89,365 |
I suggest you just post a draft of what you plan on sending to the council. Almost all the winnable cases that are lost, are lost because appeals are sent off without being reviewed on here first. I attach docs. I cannot find any evidence of my foot problems but continue to look. Apologies for delay I had to scan 2 docs to make JPG Many thanks This post has been edited by CatLady: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 - 17:14 |
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Mon, 21 Jan 2019 - 16:05
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Add some photos of your daughter's belongings, but on the whole I think you make a compelling case to claim the loading exemption.
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Mon, 21 Jan 2019 - 16:06
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
We don't need to see medical records here - suggest you remove that.
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Mon, 21 Jan 2019 - 17:25
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Member Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 31 Dec 2016 Member No.: 89,365 |
We don't need to see medical records here - suggest you remove that. Thank you kind Sir - have removed Thanks Add some photos of your daughter's belongings, but on the whole I think you make a compelling case to claim the loading exemption. I'm very pleased that you have that view. My daughter felt there was nothing to lose by mentioning all in her letter Many thanks for your support and I will of course let you know the outcome Add some photos of your daughter's belongings, but on the whole I think you make a compelling case to claim the loading exemption. I'm very pleased that you have that view. My daughter felt there was nothing to lose by mentioning all in her letter Many thanks for your support and I will of course let you know the outcome |
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Tue, 22 Jan 2019 - 14:41
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Member Group: Members Posts: 45 Joined: 13 Apr 2016 Member No.: 83,686 |
I'd recommend removing all names, addresses and car registration from the documents you've posted here.
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Thu, 7 Feb 2019 - 17:01
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Member Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 31 Dec 2016 Member No.: 89,365 |
We don't need to see medical records here - suggest you remove that. Thank you kind Sir - have removed Thanks Add some photos of your daughter's belongings, but on the whole I think you make a compelling case to claim the loading exemption. I'm very pleased that you have that view. My daughter felt there was nothing to lose by mentioning all in her letter Many thanks for your support and I will of course let you know the outcome Add some photos of your daughter's belongings, but on the whole I think you make a compelling case to claim the loading exemption. I'm very pleased that you have that view. My daughter felt there was nothing to lose by mentioning all in her letter Many thanks for your support and I will of course let you know the outcome SUCCESS!!!!!! Appalling grammar again but it's the same women dealing with all 3 of my PCNs I lost, not surprisingly, the unloading the other end but been offered £55 instead of £110, which I'll take THANK YOU GUYS We don't need to see medical records here - suggest you remove that. Thank you kind Sir - have removed Thanks Add some photos of your daughter's belongings, but on the whole I think you make a compelling case to claim the loading exemption. I'm very pleased that you have that view. My daughter felt there was nothing to lose by mentioning all in her letter Many thanks for your support and I will of course let you know the outcome Add some photos of your daughter's belongings, but on the whole I think you make a compelling case to claim the loading exemption. I'm very pleased that you have that view. My daughter felt there was nothing to lose by mentioning all in her letter Many thanks for your support and I will of course let you know the outcome SUCCESS!!!!!! I lost, not surprisingly, the unloading the other end but been offered £55 instead of £110, which I'll take THANK YOU GUYS This post has been edited by CatLady: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 - 17:00 |
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