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PCN 21 - out of the country
Upsetresident
post Mon, 1 Jan 2018 - 22:30
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Hi I’m seeking help. This is the first time I’ve ever received a PCN my whole life and very upset.
Over the Xmas period I was on holidays out of the country 9th Dec 2017 to 1st Jan 2018 and have returned to discover 4 x PCN for reason code 21 “building works suspension” on 14th, 15th, 16th and 18th Dec 2017.
Each fine £130.

My street is a resident permit zone of which I have an annual permit.
I am based at 101 and the suspension sign indicates outside 79-81 from 13th Dec 2017 to 23 February 2018.
I parked my car partially in front of 81-83 on Saturday 9th December and did not see any suspension advance sign.
I then flew out of the country and only returned today 1st January to discover the 4x parking fines which prompted me to search the street to understand why. Further along the street away from my house I noticed the sign. I do not walk that end of the street given I live at 101 and I checked there was no other notice sign along the rest of the road.
I do not recall the suspension notice being up on the 9th Dec.

What is my right to challenge to seek this PCN to be cancelled :

1) having parked legally as a permit holder well before the suspension period activated on 13th Dec.
2) the suspension sign is further down the road and no way I would have been aware of it
3) no advance notice given otherwise - I did not see the notice when I parked on the 9th before I left on holidays
4) As a reasonable person had I been in the country and received the first PCN I would have moved my car to avoid receiving the other 3 - can they charge me multiple times for the same offence given it is impossible that I could have been made aware?
5) I am the registered owner and have no friends or family that could check or move my car during the 2-3weeks whilst I was away out of the country. This time frame is normal for a reasonable person to holiday over Xmas and park legally in their street as a permit holder.

Please help as this is so upsetting and has been a horrible return from my holiday to receive 4x PCNs, especially if I had been aware I wouldn’t have parked there!!!

I am now beyond the 14 day window and subject to the full amounts but feel this is worth challenging especially the multiple fines for the same parking when I was out of the country.

Any ideas please
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Upsetresident
post Mon, 22 Jan 2018 - 10:55
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Good news - the NTO was sent in error.
The council rep advised out of “good will” they cancelled my 4 subsequent PCNs but kept the first PCN in place as they claim posting the suspension notice at 10.30pm the night before was sufficient time for me to know about the suspension even though I’d flown out that day.
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- Upsetresident   PCN 21 - out of the country   Mon, 1 Jan 2018 - 22:30
- - stamfordman   Don't panic. There are steps you can take to p...   Mon, 1 Jan 2018 - 22:38
- - Mr Mustard   You could argue that it is from 00:00 on the first...   Mon, 1 Jan 2018 - 22:59
- - Incandescent   Yes, rather sneaky, but they could have towed you ...   Mon, 1 Jan 2018 - 23:02
- - Upsetresident   Hi all thanks for the replies. I’m from Australi...   Tue, 2 Jan 2018 - 06:38
- - Upsetresident   Other PCNs posted   Tue, 2 Jan 2018 - 07:55
- - stamfordman   Don't challenge without drafting something her...   Tue, 2 Jan 2018 - 09:48
- - Upsetresident   Thanks I have drafted a note as below, also the Ca...   Tue, 2 Jan 2018 - 09:51
- - stamfordman   I would delete points 5 and 6 and add this to poin...   Tue, 2 Jan 2018 - 10:09
- - Upsetresident   I was partially in front of 81-83, but not 79 at a...   Tue, 2 Jan 2018 - 10:32
- - Chaseman   OP - see this case at PATAS (now succeeded by Lond...   Tue, 2 Jan 2018 - 10:41
- - Upsetresident   Thank you that's very helpful!   Tue, 2 Jan 2018 - 10:52
- - Chaseman   Further to previous post, here are two more LT cas...   Tue, 2 Jan 2018 - 10:53
- - Upsetresident   Super helpful! I've submitted my challenge...   Tue, 2 Jan 2018 - 13:20
|- - PASTMYBEST   QUOTE (Upsetresident @ Tue, 2 Jan 2018 ...   Tue, 2 Jan 2018 - 13:23
- - Upsetresident   Hi again, I submitted my challenge to Camden Counc...   Sat, 13 Jan 2018 - 12:30
- - stamfordman   You challenged outside of the discount period so i...   Sat, 13 Jan 2018 - 12:47
- - Upsetresident   It’s for the first PCN issued on the 14th Dec. ...   Sat, 13 Jan 2018 - 13:03
- - hcandersen   On 2 Jan you posted: I just called Camden Council...   Sat, 13 Jan 2018 - 13:15
- - Upsetresident   I’ve just realised this NTO is for a 5th PCN whi...   Sat, 13 Jan 2018 - 13:34
- - Upsetresident   Attached NTO for PCN issued on 13th Dec which I di...   Sat, 13 Jan 2018 - 13:46
- - PASTMYBEST   You must respond to the NTO by making representati...   Sat, 13 Jan 2018 - 17:35
- - Upsetresident   Hi I am awaiting a formal reply to my challenges s...   Sun, 21 Jan 2018 - 21:23
- - Mr Mustard   Make the same representations again   Sun, 21 Jan 2018 - 23:08
- - Incandescent   Always respond to a Notice to Owner - appeal or pa...   Mon, 22 Jan 2018 - 00:06
- - Upsetresident   The NTO either asks to fill in the form and post O...   Mon, 22 Jan 2018 - 07:50
- - Mr Mustard   Read the PCN. It says you must challenge a Notice ...   Mon, 22 Jan 2018 - 08:08
- - stamfordman   If you don't make a formal rep to the NTO you...   Mon, 22 Jan 2018 - 09:33
- - Upsetresident   I just logged in to the Camden site to submit anot...   Mon, 22 Jan 2018 - 09:38
- - stamfordman   This sounds like good news - I would call them and...   Mon, 22 Jan 2018 - 09:43
- - Upsetresident   Good news - the NTO was sent in error. The counci...   Mon, 22 Jan 2018 - 10:55


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