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Skylined
post Thu, 28 Nov 2019 - 01:08
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NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? -
Date of the offence: - October 2019
Date of the NIP: - 5 days after the offence
Date you received the NIP: - 8 days after the offence
Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - Madeira drive, Brighton
Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes
Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - Not known
If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? -
How many current points do you have? - 0
Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - NIP says I was traveling along Madeira drive in Brighton but the photo evidence shows my vehicle travelling along Marine parade. I can tell the difference because Marine parade is noticeably wider. Those two are parallels and the two speed cameras are not very far from one another, though I doubt the speed camera at Madeira drive, which allegedly caught me speeding is even functioning. I have not send the NIP document back yet and the deadline is looming. What should I do?

NIP Wizard Responses
These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation:
Have you received a NIP? - Yes
Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes
Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes
Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes
Were you driving? - Yes
Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England

NIP Wizard Recommendation
Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
  • The law requires you to provide the information requested in the Section 172 notice within the 28 day period, naming yourself as the driver. If you are considering obtaining formal legal advice, do so before returning the notice.

    You should note that there is nothing to be gained by responding any earlier than you have to at any stage of the process. You are likely to receive a Conditional Offer of a Fixed Penalty (COFP) and further reminder(s). If you want to continue the fight, you should ignore all correspondence from the police until you receive a summons. You need to understand from the outset that while you will receive much help and support from members on the forums, you will need to put time and effort into fighting your case and ultimately be prepared to stand up in court to defend yourself.

Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 01:08:11 +0000
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post Wed, 11 Dec 2019 - 10:53
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Was it a camera van, got you from the front and then got your number plate in a different road?
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post Wed, 11 Dec 2019 - 11:26
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QUOTE (disgrunt @ Wed, 11 Dec 2019 - 10:53) *
Was it a camera van, got you from the front and then got your number plate in a different road?

On the NIP it says "automatic camera"
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typefish
post Wed, 11 Dec 2019 - 13:36
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Looks like an average speed camera to me.

You'd get two images, as there'd be an entry and exit point

https://goo.gl/maps/ZSzjPHvhBx1y4crT6 is the one on Madeira Drive
https://goo.gl/maps/x4K43ykmxwKSge2k7 might also be the one in the first image

What speed is alleged?

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post Wed, 11 Dec 2019 - 14:47
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QUOTE (typefish @ Wed, 11 Dec 2019 - 13:36) *
Looks like an average speed camera to me.

You'd get two images, as there'd be an entry and exit point

https://goo.gl/maps/ZSzjPHvhBx1y4crT6 is the one on Madeira Drive
https://goo.gl/maps/x4K43ykmxwKSge2k7 might also be the one in the first image

What speed is alleged?


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The second speed camera is on Marine parade/A259 about half a mile away. It is possible to drive from one to the other, although not the same road so it may be an average speed offense. Interesting. Shouldn't the NIP state an average speed offense? I will call them tomorrow and ask if that was the case.

This post has been edited by Skylined: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 - 14:57
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Jlc
post Wed, 11 Dec 2019 - 14:52
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Google searches talks about an average-based system going live...


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RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution
PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request

Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it.
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post Wed, 11 Dec 2019 - 17:44
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QUOTE (Jlc @ Wed, 11 Dec 2019 - 14:52) *
Google searches talks about an average-based system going live...

The PocketGPSWorld database concurs, cameras on both Marine Parade and Maderia Drive.
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post Wed, 11 Dec 2019 - 20:24
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QUOTE (Skylined @ Wed, 11 Dec 2019 - 14:47) *
QUOTE (typefish @ Wed, 11 Dec 2019 - 13:36) *
Looks like an average speed camera to me.

You'd get two images, as there'd be an entry and exit point

https://goo.gl/maps/ZSzjPHvhBx1y4crT6 is the one on Madeira Drive
https://goo.gl/maps/x4K43ykmxwKSge2k7 might also be the one in the first image

What speed is alleged?


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The second speed camera is on Marine parade/A259 about half a mile away. It is possible to drive from one to the other, although not the same road so it may be an average speed offense. Interesting. Shouldn't the NIP state an average speed offense? I will call them tomorrow and ask if that was the case.

There is no average speed offence, just a speeding offence evidenced by average speed measurement.
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