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SPARKY26
post Sat, 16 Mar 2019 - 14:37
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Hi all a friend has been caught speeding but she is on holiday here and goes back to new Zealand next week. the NIP came to the RK today. Does the RK just fill it out putting down the person who was driving address in NZ. Will they then send the NIP to her in NZ. she also has a UK driving licence and a NZ licence. What is the likely outcome of this.
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post Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 17:35
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QUOTE (666 @ Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 07:12) *
The friend has a UK licence. Does she still have a UK address? If so, the RK should give that.

If not, will her UK licence be revoked?

As ive already said she goes home next week so why should she give a address when she will be the other side of the world and unable to receive the NIP if and when it arrives.
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post Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 18:08
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QUOTE (baroudeur @ Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 10:45) *
Providing UK licence details for someone then found to be non-resident could present a problem as legislation requires a UK driving licence holder to be resident in the UK and to notify change(s) of address.

Erm, no. If a UK licence holder moved abroad they can't provide a non-UK address so their UK licence stays as it is. There is no legislation to my knowledge that says if you hold a UK licence, you're not allowed to move abroad.

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QUOTE (666 @ Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 07:12) *
The friend has a UK licence. Does she still have a UK address? If so, the RK should give that.

If not, will her UK licence be revoked?

As ive already said she goes home next week so why should she give a address when she will be the other side of the world and unable to receive the NIP if and when it arrives.

Give the NZ address and provide the police with proof of insurance and that will likely be the end of the matter.


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post Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 23:01
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 18:08) *
QUOTE (baroudeur @ Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 10:45) *
Providing UK licence details for someone then found to be non-resident could present a problem as legislation requires a UK driving licence holder to be resident in the UK and to notify change(s) of address.

Erm, no. If a UK licence holder moved abroad they can't provide a non-UK address so their UK licence stays as it is. There is no legislation to my knowledge that says if you hold a UK licence, you're not allowed to move abroad.

Baroudeur may be thinking of a UK resident driving a non-UK insured vehicle in the UK. Not the issue here, but that is a problem because non-UK insurance is not valid in the UK for UK residents.

The DVLA won't change the address on a driving licence to a foreign address, but the holder is allowed to keep it.

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post Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 00:06
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If you are sure she has insurance, just name her at any address you believe her to be living at. Your only obligation is to give "such information as to the identity of the driver as he may be required to give" on the S172 form.

It doesn't matter if she lives on the surface of the sun, that's the police's problem. As long as you have proof of insurance there will be no comeback on the RK.
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post Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 06:15
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QUOTE (baroudeur @ Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 10:45) *
QUOTE (SPARKY26 @ Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 08:59) *
QUOTE (666 @ Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 07:12) *
The friend has a UK licence. Does she still have a UK address? If so, the RK should give that.

If not, will her UK licence be revoked?

Her UK licence in her Mum & Dad address where she lived before moving to NZ


Providing UK licence details for someone then found to be non-resident could present a problem as legislation requires a UK driving licence holder to be resident in the UK and to notify change(s) of address.

Not so. You are not required to hand in your UK licence when you move abroad.

QUOTE (nigelbb @ Sun, 17 Mar 2019 - 09:36) *
In 2010/2011 when I lived in France & had a French driving licence I was nominated by an RK for an alleged speeding offence in the UK but heard no more about it. Norfolk Police at least at that time presumably didn’t think it worth pursuing.


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But were you driving a UK registered vehicle because, as a French resident, isn't it illegal to drive a UK registered car in the UK?

Definitely not otherwise Hertz & Avis would be facilitating a crime every time they handed over the keys of a UK registered hire car to a foreign tourist.

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post Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 10:25
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QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 00:06) *
Your only obligation is to give "such information as to the identity of the driver as he may be required to give" on the S172 form.

Is the recipient mentioned in the OP not the person keeping the vehicle?


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post Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 16:08
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 10:25) *
QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 00:06) *
Your only obligation is to give "such information as to the identity of the driver as he may be required to give" on the S172 form.

Is the recipient mentioned in the OP not the person keeping the vehicle?

I'm not sure I follow - the obligation applies to the RK rather than OP but I think the meaning is clear.
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post Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 16:12
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No the obligation is on the recipient and you've given the obligation on 'any other person' the obligation on the keeper (who may not be the RK) is to provide the name and address of the driver.

In this case the OP seems to be the keeper, so your 'obligation' would be wrong.


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post Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 18:09
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 16:12) *
No the obligation is on the recipient and you've given the obligation on 'any other person' the obligation on the keeper (who may not be the RK) is to provide the name and address of the driver.

In this case the OP seems to be the keeper, so your 'obligation' would be wrong.

No i'm not the keeper, owner or RK just a friend.
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post Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 18:25
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QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 16:08) *
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 10:25) *
QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 00:06) *
Your only obligation is to give "such information as to the identity of the driver as he may be required to give" on the S172 form.

Is the recipient mentioned in the OP not the person keeping the vehicle?

I'm not sure I follow - the obligation applies to the RK rather than OP but I think the meaning is clear.


If the recipient is the person keeping the vehicle then their obligation is greater than giving any information etc.

QUOTE (SPARKY26 @ Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 18:09) *
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 16:12) *
No the obligation is on the recipient and you've given the obligation on 'any other person' the obligation on the keeper (who may not be the RK) is to provide the name and address of the driver.

In this case the OP seems to be the keeper, so your 'obligation' would be wrong.

No i'm not the keeper, owner or RK just a friend.

But what is the status of the friend you're helping? Is he the person keeping the vehicle or not?


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post Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 19:21
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 18:25) *
QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 16:08) *
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 10:25) *
QUOTE (notmeatloaf @ Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 00:06) *
Your only obligation is to give "such information as to the identity of the driver as he may be required to give" on the S172 form.

Is the recipient mentioned in the OP not the person keeping the vehicle?

I'm not sure I follow - the obligation applies to the RK rather than OP but I think the meaning is clear.


If the recipient is the person keeping the vehicle then their obligation is greater than giving any information etc.

QUOTE (SPARKY26 @ Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 18:09) *
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 16:12) *
No the obligation is on the recipient and you've given the obligation on 'any other person' the obligation on the keeper (who may not be the RK) is to provide the name and address of the driver.

In this case the OP seems to be the keeper, so your 'obligation' would be wrong.

No i'm not the keeper, owner or RK just a friend.

But what is the status of the friend you're helping? Is he the person keeping the vehicle or not?


No she is not the person keeping the vehicle. she was just using it while here on holiday.

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post Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 19:31
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Well someone here was the keeper, the driver, the RK, you or someone else!


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post Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 19:41
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Mon, 18 Mar 2019 - 19:31) *
Well someone here was the keeper, the driver, the RK, you or someone else!

someone else
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