PCM Parked Motorbike in Friends Bay Options

[Lukasz]

Hi all and thank you for helping out in here.

Parking Control Management

Here we go:




I believe I shouldn't be paying it.
In all I do respect peoples space and other aspects of Parking.

Is there a chance? Or will PCM just reject it?



This post has been edited by Lukasz: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 - 19:22

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[nosferatu1001]

Edit that bloody post!

We must not have the identifying details. NOW

Make of bike being wrong has zero effect. None.

[Lukasz]

Edit that bloody post!

We must not have the identifying details. NOW

Make of bike being wrong has zero effect. None.

Sorry

[nosferatu1001]

It's not sorry to us, it means you can't be identified
This is public and ppcs do read this forum.


What does your friends lease / ast / rental agreement / ta say about use of the bay? You have to see it. Not optional

[Lukasz]

On the lower picture all you can see is Yellow Reg Plate in front of her Silver Car.

I'll take a look at the Agreement.

This post has been edited by Lukasz: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 - 19:23

[nosferatu1001]

How many othe threads have you read?
You are encouraged to NEVER ID the driver / rider of the vehicle at the time.

The rider parked...

You are the keeper.

[Lukasz]

How many othe threads have you read?
You are encouraged to NEVER ID the driver / rider of the vehicle at the time.

The rider parked...

You are the keeper.

I've read one and glimpsed through few looking for similarities.

If I don't tell who it was, by stating in a letter/apeal that I do not know, will they not just blame me automatically?
I suppose that's one way of challenging it... but can there be 2 or 3 grounds on which I could try to challenge?

Thank you

[nosferatu1001]

You're supposed to edit the posts so the drivers identity is not given away on here. This is a public forum, PPCs look at it.

Im not telling you to statte "you do not know", ow about just not mentionuing it at all and stating, as *everyone* does, that you were the keeper?

Keep reading, once youve edited.

[Lukasz]

You're supposed to edit the posts so the drivers identity is not given away on here. This is a public forum, PPCs look at it.

Im not telling you to statte "you do not know", ow about just not mentionuing it at all and stating, as *everyone* does, that you were the keeper?

Keep reading, once youve edited.

Right. No mentioning, even with out names... I suppose I understand now. I'll keep reading.

[Lukasz]

You're supposed to edit the posts so the drivers identity is not given away on here. This is a public forum, PPCs look at it.

Im not telling you to statte "you do not know", ow about just not mentionuing it at all and stating, as *everyone* does, that you were the keeper?

Keep reading, once youve edited.

Thank you. I found it in Keepers appeal. Found template too.

[Lukasz]

Hi

Now what I got in Response is that my Points are irrelevant as they are BPA and they are IPC, a different association.

I can still appeal on www.theISA.org but am not sure how.
I hope I can get some clues here but in meanwhile I will research it ...

Thank you.

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[ostell]

You do not appeal to the ISA, you are almost guaranteed to lose

Ignore and come back when there is a court claim. Ignore debt collectors

[Lukasz]

I received a LETTER BEFORE CLAIM.
I believe this one is to try last time and see how clued up I am before they decide to take it to Court?
I reply within 30 days online or on paper.
What should I do tell me please?

Thank you

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[ostell]

So you tell them all the reasons you are not liable and in any case you are only liable, as the keeper, for the original NTK amount and not the £60 extra. POFA 4 (5)

[Lukasz]

Ok. I'll skip the £60 argument and tell them what I've been saying all this time. That I am a keeper of the vehicle and am not obliged to pay the charge.

Can you tell me how do I challenge a court case if it comes to one, any link maybe to read it please?
I rad the POFA 4 (5)

[nosferatu1001]

Why are you skipping the argument you've been instructed to include?
The £60 is an amount they cannot recover from the keeper

YOU draft YOUR letter because this is YOUR issue.

[Lukasz]

Ok. I'll skip the £60 argument and tell them what I've been saying all this time. That I am a keeper of the vehicle and am not obliged to pay the charge.

Can you tell me how do I challenge a court case if it comes to one, any link maybe to read it please?
I rad the POFA 4 (5)

Ok. I just misunderstood. Thanks

[Lukasz]

The reasons I am not liable to pay the charge is that the vehicle is parked in a bay (106) that is designated for Flat no. 22 together with the flat occupant's vehicle as the evidence shows. Contact was made to Parking Control Management by phone tel: 01753 512603 by the occupant but it was not resolved successfully and in any case I am only liable, as the keeper, for the original NTK amount and not the £60 extra. POFA 4 (5)

[nosferatu1001]

What other lba responses have you read first?

[Lukasz]

What other lba responses have you read first?

THANK YOU IN ADVANCE.


I have not until now after you asked.
From what I understand this is a correspondence that can be disclosed during court case if it come to one.
My option is to tell them that the bike was parked at bay 106 that belongs to flat 22 and the occupant of the flat allowed for it to be there (bike was on the outside of the metal markers 'squares' but in front of the owners car). And say that efforts were made to resolve the problem with PCM by the flat owner and that the vehicle was not obstructing the road as evidance show? But that would imply that I know the driver, does it matter?

OR GIVE THEM THIS?

Dear Sirs

Re: MIL Collections Ltd -v- Myself - Letter Before Action
Reference: PZXZXZXZ

I refer to the above letter dated <insert date>.

Based upon the scant detail I understand that you allege that I am responsible for an unpaid parking charge incurred by the driver of a vehicle <insert registration number>.

I deny I owe any debt to you or any other party.

In the absence of any detail (and documents upon which you intend to rely) required to be disclosed to me at this point by virtue of the Practice Direction on Pre-action Protocols & Conduct I can make no assessment of the case you assert you have and am therefore prevented from engaging in any meaningful dialogue.

Upon receipt of such detail I will consider the matter further.

Yours faithfully


OR SHOULD I ASK THEM FOR ALL THE DETAILS AND ADD ALL THE FACTS ABOUT THE PARKING BAY BELONGS TO FLAT 22?



This is copied and paste off course so some of it might not apply, it still buffers me which stage is what and how POPA aplies or rather when it doesn't;
I have received your recent letter before action of which this is my acknowledgment.

To enable me to consider my position and prepare my full reply will you please provide:
1. A precise cause of action as to why you believe this sum is due.
2. Copies of all previous correspondence regarding this matter.
3. An explanation of why you believe I , as registered keeper but who was not the driver of the vehicle , am liable for this sum when you have failed to comply with schedule 4 of The Protection of Freedoms Act.
4. A copy of the operational contract with the landowner to demonstrate Civil Enforcement have the necessary rights to bring such a claim.
5. A copy of the sign which you allege forms the basis of the contract with the driver
6. An explanation of how the sum being demanded differs from previous correspondence.
7. An explanation of how the sum being sought is in excess of the original demand when schedule 4 of the POFA only allows for attempted recovery of the original amount.
8. Evidence that Civil Enforcement have incurred additional fees of £60.
9. Contact details for the British Parking Authority because I am unaware of such a body.