TFL PCN - parking on a footpath |
TFL PCN - parking on a footpath |
Thu, 17 Jan 2019 - 18:22
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 17 Jan 2019 Member No.: 101,969 |
Hi all,
I received a PCN yesterday from the TFL and I was wondering if there's any way around it because I'm a student & just paid another £65 parking ticket last week & can barely afford it!! Here's images of the ticket: https://ibb.co/PC03zq1 https://ibb.co/J7T8d2q Basically the location where I was parked is very weird, it is on the side of the A12 (dual carriageway), its not really a footpath and I've always parked there along with other cars with no problem at all. Here's a link: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.518875,-0...3312!8i6656 I live behind that white building & have always parked here. The only problem was someone was blocking my usual space by the side of the fence so I had to temporarily leave the car forming a second file on the "footpath". I was parked there for minutes before going back to check on my car to see if my normal space had free'd up and saw the ticket. There were about 4 other cars around me and none of them got a ticket! Is there any chance I can challenge it or just ignore it? Any help/advice is much appreciated!! P.S when I go to check the status of the PCN on the TFL website it says there's no match in their records? Kind regards, A |
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Thu, 17 Jan 2019 - 18:24
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13,735 Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Member No.: 14,720 |
CEO photos?
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Thu, 17 Jan 2019 - 19:22
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Member Group: Closed Posts: 9,710 Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Member No.: 11,355 |
My first question would be---- is TFL the enforcement authority? They might be the highway authority but this doesn't look to be a red route. Has a wandering CEO the authority to issue a PCN in these circumstances?
Mick |
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Thu, 17 Jan 2019 - 22:22
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 17 Jan 2019 Member No.: 101,969 |
CEO photos? Sorry I'm not sure what you mean by this? I've added all the photos of the ticket My first question would be---- is TFL the enforcement authority? They might be the highway authority but this doesn't look to be a red route. Has a wandering CEO the authority to issue a PCN in these circumstances? Mick Hi Mick, I'm not sure I know the answer to your question. I've added an image of the envelope the ticket was in in case it helps: https://ibb.co/XxkK8sy |
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Thu, 17 Jan 2019 - 22:31
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Member Group: Members Posts: 25,726 Joined: 28 Jun 2010 From: Area 51 Member No.: 38,559 |
My first question would be---- is TFL the enforcement authority? They might be the highway authority but this doesn't look to be a red route. Has a wandering CEO the authority to issue a PCN in these circumstances? Mick I'd be very surprised if TFL were not the authority given the road. But no obvious signs like Red Lines except for a set of DYLs in the bus stop opposite. This seems a nasty one. It seems obvious that parking is allowed on the building side, call it discretionary if you will but accepted. But a second file would seem to infer on the actual footpath. Need to see CEO photos to be sure. |
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Thu, 17 Jan 2019 - 22:50
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Member Group: Members Posts: 26,655 Joined: 6 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,048 |
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Thu, 17 Jan 2019 - 23:08
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Member Group: Members Posts: 20,919 Joined: 22 Apr 2012 Member No.: 54,455 |
OP got a PCN because he was actually parked on the foopath with the paving slabs, not where GSV shows cars by the railings. Clearly they tolerate parking by the railings, but a car on the footway is fair game to them, hence the PCN. Difficult to think what appeal argument there is here. The legitimate expectation argument would be if a PCN had been issued for a car by the railings, and that would succeed, but I don't think this one would.
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Fri, 18 Jan 2019 - 11:44
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
OP got a PCN because he was actually parked on the foopath with the paving slabs, not where GSV shows cars by the railings. Clearly they tolerate parking by the railings, but a car on the footway is fair game to them, hence the PCN. Difficult to think what appeal argument there is here. The legitimate expectation argument would be if a PCN had been issued for a car by the railings, and that would succeed, but I don't think this one would. Have you seen the CEO photos? -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Fri, 18 Jan 2019 - 12:34
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Member Group: Members Posts: 20,919 Joined: 22 Apr 2012 Member No.: 54,455 |
OP got a PCN because he was actually parked on the foopath with the paving slabs, not where GSV shows cars by the railings. Clearly they tolerate parking by the railings, but a car on the footway is fair game to them, hence the PCN. Difficult to think what appeal argument there is here. The legitimate expectation argument would be if a PCN had been issued for a car by the railings, and that would succeed, but I don't think this one would. Have you seen the CEO photos? Well no, but the OP claims in his first post that that is where he parked. QUOTE The only problem was someone was blocking my usual space by the side of the fence so I had to temporarily leave the car forming a second file on the "footpath"
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Fri, 18 Jan 2019 - 14:07
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Ah yes, well it's worth making a plea for discretion but other that there's nothing to go on.
-------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Fri, 18 Jan 2019 - 18:20
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 17 Jan 2019 Member No.: 101,969 |
Sorry the TFL website didn't have my PCN registered until now, so I now have the CEO photos:
https://ibb.co/WHQXRD3 https://ibb.co/VCWnp9v https://ibb.co/2FbtCXb Sorry if the quality is bad, hope this helps. Thanks for all the comments so far, sounds like it's unlikely ill be avoiding this ticket though |
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Fri, 18 Jan 2019 - 22:49
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Still, make a please for discretion, it won't cost you any more if they reject and if nothing else, it gives you more time to pay.
-------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Wed, 23 Jan 2019 - 18:39
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Member Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 17 Jan 2019 Member No.: 101,969 |
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Wed, 23 Jan 2019 - 20:54
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Still, make a please for discretion, it won't cost you any more if they reject and if nothing else, it gives you more time to pay. What is a plea for discretion & how do I do that? You just explain the circumstances, say you're very sorry and you'll never do it again, and ask them to exercise discretion to cancel the PCN. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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