PCN Issued | Sinlge Yellow Line, No Parking Zone Sign or Small Signs Options

[pieline]

Hello,

I have been issued with a council parking fine.

Images are included. The images covering my reg are from the council website.

Ticket was issued for:
01 - Parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours

Ticket was issued on a Sunday at ~15:15

Issues:
1. There were no small signs you usually see on lamposts or the larger parking zone signs.
2. The single yellow line is extremely worn. It looks like the double yellow lines around the corner have been repainted so I'm not even sure if this yellow line is even a yellow line anymore or just left to fade. Could be.

The road has 2 entrances and I've included picture of both. This is the google map link (car was parked on the pointer): https://goo.gl/maps/rzNzGQSfd992

I would be interested to hear you thoughts etc.

Thank you in advance.

Car was parked approx 3m up from the T bar on the double yellow line




Entrance 1


Entrance 2


Driving out of entrance 2








Reverse of ticket


This post has been edited by pieline: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 - 22:28

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[stamfordman]

Post all of the PCN. Liverpool is a rapacious council when it comes to parking.

Will probably be in a controlled zone so no timeplates but the lines look too poor to me.

This post has been edited by stamfordman: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 - 21:55

[pieline]

Post all of the PCN. Liverpool is a rapacious council when it comes to parking.

Will probably be in a controlled zone so no timeplates but the lines look too poor to me.

Thanks for thee reply.

PCN added to my first post.

Regarding the controlled zone...I couldn't see any from outside both entrances or along the actual road. How loose can a zone be?

[John U.K.]

Back of PCN?
Often errors in 'small print'.

[stamfordman]

I think Liverpool has inner and outer controlled parking zones plus others (eg by Anfield) but for some reason doesn't have a map on its site. Signs are needed only at the entrance to zones, which can be big in size.


Here's an outer zone one not far from where you were:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.4007792,-...3312!8i6656

[Neil B]

Liverpool is a rapacious council when it comes to parking.

With parking like that I don't blame them!

Can't find CPZ map but it's City centre, two zones, restricted 8-6 at least.

[stamfordman]

Liverpool is a rapacious council when it comes to parking.

With parking like that I don't blame them!

Indeed - I would normally comment on that...

[pieline]

I think Liverpool has inner and outer controlled parking zones plus others (eg by Anfield) but for some reason doesn't have a map on its site. Signs are needed only at the entrance to zones, which can be big in size.


Here's an outer zone one not far from where you were:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.4007792,-...3312!8i6656

Thanks for the info - I didn't realise the 'zones' can be large in size. Good to know.

Liverpool is a rapacious council when it comes to parking.

With parking like that I don't blame them!

Can't find CPZ map but it's City centre, two zones, restricted 8-6 at least.

As you can see the road is very narrow but it has 2 pavements. The pavement I was parked on is typically where parked cars hug the building (as was the case when I was there) to allow enough room for cars to drive by, whilst the other payment is left totally clear. Not a justification but some info.

[Incandescent]

Fighting this one will require you to take the matter to adjudication with the full PCN penalty in play, not the discounted amount. This is because the council will refuse all your reps. Are you prepared to stand your ground ?

Looking at the situation "on the ground", the yellow lines are so worn out as to be considered not "substantially compliant", bearing in mind the double yellows nearby that are in apple-pie order. However, do be aware that even if you win this one, the council can continue to issue more PCNs. Do you want all the hassle ! It might be better to find somewhere else to park in future.

This post has been edited by Incandescent: Wed, 16 Jan 2019 - 22:53

[pieline]

Fighting this one will require you to take the matter to adjudication with the full PCN penalty in play, not the discounted amount. This is because the council will refuse all your reps. Are you prepared to stand your ground ?

Looking at the situation "on the ground", the yellow lines are so worn out as to be considered not "substantially compliant", bearing in mind the double yellows nearby that are in apple-pie order. However, do be aware that even if you win this one, the council can continue to issue more PCNs. Do you want all the hassle ! It might be better to find somewhere else to park in future.

Is there a specific rule / legislation I can quote regarding the single yellow line being in such a wore and unclear state?

[Incandescent]

There is a duty on councils since the law was introduced to allow them to impose parking restrictions, that they must place sufficient signs to convey the restriction to motorists. This includes yellow lines on the road.

[PASTMYBEST]

There is a duty on councils since the law was introduced to allow them to impose parking restrictions, that they must place sufficient signs to convey the restriction to motorists. This includes yellow lines on the road.

The Local Authorities' Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996

Traffic signs

18.—(1) Where an order relating to any road has been made, the order making authority shall take such steps as are necessary to secure—
(a)
before the order comes into force, the placing on or near the road of such traffic signs in such positions as the order making authority may consider requisite for securing that adequate information as to the effect of the order is made available to persons using the road;
(b)
the maintenance of such signs for so long as the order remains in force; and
©
in a case where the order revokes, amends or alters the application of a previous order, the removal or replacement of existing traffic signs as the authority considers requisite to avoid confusion to road users by signs being left in the wrong positions.
(2) The order making authority shall consult the appropriate Crown authority before carrying out the requirements of sub-paragraphs (a) and © of paragraph (1) in relation to a Crown road.
(3) This regulation is without prejudice to section 85 of the 1984 Act(1) (traffic signs for indicating speed limits).


but then there is a high court ruling that makes substantial compliance the requirement

https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Civ/2011/905.html