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Helping the motorist get justice
Newham parking ticket |
 Thu, 21 Jun 2018 - 15:08
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Member Group: Members Posts: 30 Joined: 31 Oct 2011 Member No.: 50,747  |
Hi All,
I parked my car last week in newham and received a panalty ticket. The parking sign was fallen off from the pole next to my car. The next sign was a disable bay and after that there was a sign which says parking permit holders only. Most f the signs in this area were vandalised. Any idea wheather i can appeal for this? Thanks
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Thu, 21 Jun 2018 - 15:08
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Thu, 21 Jun 2018 - 15:14
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
Post your pics and look on Newham's site for its pics.
Also give us Google Street View location. Use a site such Imgur for pics. |
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Thu, 21 Jun 2018 - 15:36
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Member Group: Members Posts: 29,280 Joined: 16 Jan 2008 Member No.: 16,671 |
-------------------- QUOTE (DancingDad @ Fri, 11 May 2018 - 12:30)  Neil is good at working backwards. |
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Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 06:38
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Member Group: Members Posts: 30 Joined: 31 Oct 2011 Member No.: 50,747 |
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Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 11:56
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,007 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Each bay is governed by its own sign. On the evidence we've seen so far, I'm not sure the council can prove a contravention has occurred.
-------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 14:07
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Member Group: Members Posts: 30 Joined: 31 Oct 2011 Member No.: 50,747 |
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 12:56) Each bay is governed by its own sign. On the evidence we've seen so far, I'm not sure the council can prove a contravention has occurred. As its one long bay and there is a disable bay in the mddle. There is a sign on one side of the disable bay but the sign on the other side has been taken off. So I am right in thinking even though the sign on one side of the disabe bay mention the permit there is no sign on theother side, hence the bays after the disable bay is not covered by the sign on the other side of the disable bay? |
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Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 14:46
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Member Group: Members Posts: 29,280 Joined: 16 Jan 2008 Member No.: 16,671 |
QUOTE (cj2002 @ Thu, 21 Jun 2018 - 16:08) The next sign was a disable bay and after that there was a sign which says parking permit holders only. A bit disingenuous? The sign the CEO showed is on the same bay you parked in and between you and the disabled bay sign so the latter can't be the "next sign". QUOTE (cj2002 @ Thu, 21 Jun 2018 - 16:08) The parking sign was fallen off from the pole next to my car. Has been for a long while so a clear failure to maintain. But I'm wondering how an adjudicator would view this; sympathy being a significant element. They might easily think you were just taking advantage of the missing sign and conclude that the one that is there is sufficient, along with other clear indications parking is restricted in the street. -------------------- QUOTE (DancingDad @ Fri, 11 May 2018 - 12:30) Neil is good at working backwards. |
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Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 17:56
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Member Group: Members Posts: 30 Joined: 31 Oct 2011 Member No.: 50,747 |
A bit disingenuous? The sign the CEO showed is on the same bay you parked in and between you and the disabled bay sign so the latter can't be the "next sign" Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately this isn't the case. Please look at the house behind the sign. You will notice it's after the disable bay and not on the side I parked. There were no signs in the side I parked after the disable bay. |
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Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 18:05
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Member Group: Members Posts: 26,656 Joined: 6 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,048 |
Where are the council pics?
-------------------- All advice is given freely. It is given without guarantee and responsibility for its use rests with the user
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Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 18:06
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Member Group: Members Posts: 29,280 Joined: 16 Jan 2008 Member No.: 16,671 |
Perhaps I'm looking at thee wrong location.
I don't think so. -------------------- QUOTE (DancingDad @ Fri, 11 May 2018 - 12:30) Neil is good at working backwards. |
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Mon, 25 Jun 2018 - 12:37
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Member Group: Members Posts: 30 Joined: 31 Oct 2011 Member No.: 50,747 |
QUOTE (Neil B @ Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 19:06) Perhaps I'm looking at thee wrong location. I don't think so. Have a look at the attached road layout. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Zzmu5InOco...ew?usp=drivesdk Google street view is out of date and doesn't reflect what's there today. Please advice how orbit I can appeal against this. Thank you |
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Mon, 25 Jun 2018 - 12:44
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Member Group: Members Posts: 26,656 Joined: 6 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,048 |
QUOTE Where are the council pics?
-------------------- All advice is given freely. It is given without guarantee and responsibility for its use rests with the user
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Mon, 25 Jun 2018 - 14:58
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Member Group: Members Posts: 30 Joined: 31 Oct 2011 Member No.: 50,747 |
Council pictures are in the same folder. They are the ones with date and time stamp
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Mon, 25 Jun 2018 - 15:01
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
QUOTE (cj2002 @ Mon, 25 Jun 2018 - 15:58) Council pictures are in the same folder. They are the ones with date and time stamp best to display the key pics inline on the forum - will get more attention eg. with BBCode on Imgur, Flickr etc. |
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Mon, 25 Jun 2018 - 22:24
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,007 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
cj2002 I think, based on the council photos, that you have a compelling case. It looks like they're relying on the photo of a sign in a different bay. You've got photos showing the sign next to your car had been vandalised. Can you take a photo to show where the other (non vandalised) sign is, in relation to where your car was parked?
-------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Mon, 25 Jun 2018 - 22:30
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Member Group: Members Posts: 29,280 Joined: 16 Jan 2008 Member No.: 16,671 |
QUOTE (cj2002 @ Mon, 25 Jun 2018 - 13:37) QUOTE (Neil B @ Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 19:06) Perhaps I'm looking at thee wrong location. I don't think so. Have a look at the attached road layout. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Zzmu5InOco...ew?usp=drivesdk Google street view is out of date and doesn't reflect what's there today. Are you saying a new disabled bay has been added? -------------------- QUOTE (DancingDad @ Fri, 11 May 2018 - 12:30) Neil is good at working backwards. |
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Tue, 26 Jun 2018 - 05:04
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Member Group: Members Posts: 30 Joined: 31 Oct 2011 Member No.: 50,747 |
QUOTE (Neil B @ Mon, 25 Jun 2018 - 23:30) QUOTE (cj2002 @ Mon, 25 Jun 2018 - 13:37) QUOTE (Neil B @ Fri, 22 Jun 2018 - 19:06) Perhaps I'm looking at thee wrong location. I don't think so. Have a look at the attached road layout. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Zzmu5InOco...ew?usp=drivesdk Google street view is out of date and doesn't reflect what's there today. Are you saying a new disabled bay has been added? No there are less parking signs now and also the parking bay has been shortened due to a new house being built at the end of the road. You will have to look at my road layouts and the pictures then it will make sense. |
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Tue, 26 Jun 2018 - 10:14
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,007 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
You road layout is all well and good, but you really need a photo if you want to have a strong case at the tribunal.
-------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Tue, 26 Jun 2018 - 10:47
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Member Group: Members Posts: 30 Joined: 31 Oct 2011 Member No.: 50,747 |
QUOTE (cp8759 @ Tue, 26 Jun 2018 - 11:14) You road layout is all well and good, but you really need a photo if you want to have a strong case at the tribunal. I can go back and get pictures. Is that suffiencent ? Do I need to attach them to the appeal also how should I word the appeal? |
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Tue, 26 Jun 2018 - 10:51
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,007 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
QUOTE (cj2002 @ Tue, 26 Jun 2018 - 11:47) QUOTE (cp8759 @ Tue, 26 Jun 2018 - 11:14) You road layout is all well and good, but you really need a photo if you want to have a strong case at the tribunal. I can go back and get pictures. Is that suffiencent ? Do I need to attach them to the appeal also how should I word the appeal? You need to make informal representations to the council first, if they reject, the registered keeper will get a Notice to Owner and formal representations need to be made against that. If the council reject again, it's only at that point that an appeal can be made to the tribunal. If you get the pictures, we'll draft your representations for you. Yes you will need to attach the pictures to your representations / appeal. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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