[NIP Wizard] my car isnt on all the photo's provided as evidence, Threads merged |
[NIP Wizard] my car isnt on all the photo's provided as evidence, Threads merged |
Thu, 28 Dec 2017 - 05:38
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 28 Dec 2017 Member No.: 95,708 |
NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? - Date of the offence: - December 2017 Date of the NIP: - 5 days after the offence Date you received the NIP: - 10 days after the offence Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A580 East Lancs Road, app to Moorside Road, Swindon, U.K Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? - How many current points do you have? - 0 Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - Caught doing 49 in a 40 by a fixed camera at 20.20 on 10/12/17. No real reason for it. Don't even no why I was speeding as I know the camera is there and don't really speed anywhere. I was shocked when the notice of intention to prosecute came. I've looked at the evidence on gmppas website and there are three pictures. First has a very blurred image of my registration number. Second two has two trucks on it and my car is not there. Not sure if this is grounds to appeal against it or if I would be better to just fill the form in and hope for a course to be offered NIP Wizard Responses These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation: Have you received a NIP? - Yes Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes Were you driving? - Yes Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England NIP Wizard Recommendation Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
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Thu, 28 Dec 2017 - 05:38
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 28 Dec 2017 Member No.: 95,708 |
NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? - Date of the offence: - December 2017 Date of the NIP: - 5 days after the offence Date you received the NIP: - 10 days after the offence Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A580 East Lancs Road, app to Moorside Road, Swindon, U.K Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? - How many current points do you have? - 0 Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - Caught doing 49 in a 40 by a fixed camera at 20.20 on 10/12/17. No real reason for it. Don't even no why I was speeding as I know the camera is there and don't really speed anywhere. I was shocked when the notice of intention to prosecute came. I've looked at the evidence on gmppas website and there are three pictures. First has a very blurred image of my registration number. Second two has two trucks on it and my car is not there. Not sure if this is grounds to appeal against it or if I would be better to just fill the form in and hope for a course to be offered NIP Wizard Responses These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation: Have you received a NIP? - Yes Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - Yes Did the first NIP arrive within 14 days? - Yes Although you are the Registered Keeper, were you also the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes Were you driving? - Yes Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - England NIP Wizard Recommendation Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 05:38:21 +0000 |
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Thu, 28 Dec 2017 - 06:45
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
An appeal comes after a conviction.
You could query why your car doesn’t appear to be in the photo, it could just be a hosting error and they have a perfectly good photo of your car exceeding the limit. None of this means you have a get out from nailing the driver in the required timescale. That camera is a so called speed on green, so it monitors for red light offences and speeding. This post has been edited by The Rookie: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 - 06:47 -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
S172's Rookies 1-0 Kent Council PCN's Rookies 1-0 Warwick Rookies 1-0 Birmingham PPC PCN's Rookies 10-0 PPC's |
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Thu, 28 Dec 2017 - 08:49
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Member Group: Members Posts: 41,510 Joined: 25 Aug 2011 From: Planet Earth Member No.: 49,223 |
None of this means you have a get out from nailing the driver in the required timescale. Seems a bit harsh for a minor speeding offence? I would call them up and see if they can explain. The pictures will not be the evidential ones they would use but there's a long shot of 'embarrassment' where they might consider cancelling. The pictures on the website in themselves do not stop them progressing should they have the correct evidence. I'm also wondering if you triggered the camera but the trucks were partially obscuring you. This post has been edited by Jlc: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 - 08:50 -------------------- RK=Registered Keeper, OP=Original Poster (You!), CoFP=Conditional Offer of Fixed Penalty, NtK=Notice to Keeper, NtD=Notice to Driver
PoFA=Protection of Freedoms Act, SAC=Safety Awareness Course, NIP=Notice of Intended Prosecution, ADR=Alternative Dispute Resolution PPC=Private Parking Company, LBCCC=Letter Before County Court Claim, PII=Personally Identifiable Information, SAR=Subject Access Request Private Parking - remember, they just want your money and will say almost anything to get it. |
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Thu, 28 Dec 2017 - 09:55
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Member Group: Members Posts: 109 Joined: 18 Sep 2017 Member No.: 94,099 |
Your vehicle must be in the 2 images to prosecute so you need to point this out to the police ticket office.
They should be able to clear this up before you do anything else. |
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Thu, 28 Dec 2017 - 16:13
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Member Group: Members Posts: 4,746 Joined: 29 Oct 2008 Member No.: 23,623 |
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Thu, 28 Dec 2017 - 16:33
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,198 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
Your vehicle must be in the 2 images to prosecute so you need to point this out to the police ticket office. They should be able to clear this up before you do anything else. Well in two images, not necessarily the two hosted. As for my auto correct error, I apologise! -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
S172's Rookies 1-0 Kent Council PCN's Rookies 1-0 Warwick Rookies 1-0 Birmingham PPC PCN's Rookies 10-0 PPC's |
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Tue, 2 Jan 2018 - 15:04
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 28 Dec 2017 Member No.: 95,708 |
Just to let you guys know. I contacted the ticket office by emailed to ask for further evidence as my vehicle didn't seem to be in the photos provided. They have replied today and cancelled the ticket and I don't need to reply to the N.I.P.
Thank for the advise |
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Tue, 2 Jan 2018 - 15:20
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Member Group: Members Posts: 109 Joined: 18 Sep 2017 Member No.: 94,099 |
Just to let you guys know. I contacted the ticket office by emailed to ask for further evidence as my vehicle didn't seem to be in the photos provided. They have replied today and cancelled the ticket and I don't need to reply to the N.I.P. Thank for the advise Sorted. |
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Tue, 2 Jan 2018 - 16:03
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Member Group: Members Posts: 311 Joined: 16 Jul 2015 Member No.: 78,371 |
In the interest of covering all bases, I'd be inclined to respond to the NIP naming the driver regardless, including a cover letter referring to your conversation and thanking them for cancelling. The reason being that failing to respond to a s.172 notice is a separate offence, and if you trigger that offence you're potentially opening the door to a lot more hassle sorting that one out.
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Tue, 2 Jan 2018 - 17:45
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Member Group: Members Posts: 109 Joined: 18 Sep 2017 Member No.: 94,099 |
In the interest of covering all bases, I'd be inclined to respond to the NIP naming the driver regardless, including a cover letter referring to your conversation and thanking them for cancelling. The reason being that failing to respond to a s.172 notice is a separate offence, and if you trigger that offence you're potentially opening the door to a lot more hassle sorting that one out. There will be a note on the notice in the computer record and the status will be set to NFA so no need to do what you suggest. |
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Tue, 2 Jan 2018 - 18:38
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Member Group: Members Posts: 2,356 Joined: 30 Jun 2008 From: Landan Member No.: 20,731 |
In the interest of covering all bases, I'd be inclined to respond to the NIP naming the driver regardless, including a cover letter referring to your conversation and thanking them for cancelling. The reason being that failing to respond to a s.172 notice is a separate offence, and if you trigger that offence you're potentially opening the door to a lot more hassle sorting that one out. There will be a note on the notice in the computer record and the status will be set to NFA so no need to do what you suggest. Yes. But do it anyway. --Churchmouse |
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Wed, 3 Jan 2018 - 23:28
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
In the interest of covering all bases, I'd be inclined to respond to the NIP naming the driver regardless, including a cover letter referring to your conversation and thanking them for cancelling. The reason being that failing to respond to a s.172 notice is a separate offence, and if you trigger that offence you're potentially opening the door to a lot more hassle sorting that one out. There will be a note on the notice in the computer record and the status will be set to NFA so no need to do what you suggest. Yes. But do it anyway. --Churchmouse +1 -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Thu, 4 Jan 2018 - 19:12
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 4 Joined: 28 Dec 2017 Member No.: 95,708 |
Thank you. I will respond to the NIP to cover myself.
Cheers |
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Sun, 7 Jan 2018 - 15:13
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Member Group: Members Posts: 6,963 Joined: 19 Dec 2006 From: Near Calais Member No.: 9,683 |
Belt and braces, as you've seen, they make mistakes.
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