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renegadefm
post Fri, 22 May 2020 - 19:08
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How accurate are GPS systems? I was basically going down this road today and the police were there with a hand held camera and I was doing roughly 36 MPH, and further back the road was a 30 sign, but on my phone via the Google maps app as you head towards where the speed trap was my GPS reading changed from 30 to 40 zone. Hence why I dont really know if was caught or not.
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post Fri, 22 May 2020 - 19:11
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Usual enforcement begins at 35mph.

You have 14 days to see if a NIP arrives (if you are the registered keeper).


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post Fri, 22 May 2020 - 19:17
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QUOTE (Jlc @ Fri, 22 May 2020 - 20:11) *
Usual enforcement begins at 35mph.

You have 14 days to see if a NIP arrives (if you are the registered keeper).

Ok thanks. I think I was doing 36, but cant I contest it as I took a screenshot of the phone saying its a 40 zone. Or wont that do any good? I could try at least to say I was following the guidance of the GPS couldn't I?
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post Fri, 22 May 2020 - 19:22
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Nope - the signage on the road is the only thing that matters.


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post Fri, 22 May 2020 - 19:22
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QUOTE (renegadefm @ Fri, 22 May 2020 - 20:17) *
I think I was doing 36, but cant I contest it as I took a screenshot of the phone saying its a 40 zone. Or wont that do any good? I could try at least to say I was following the guidance of the GPS couldn't I?

No, to both.


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post Fri, 22 May 2020 - 19:24
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...or are you saying you were in the 40 limit?


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post Fri, 22 May 2020 - 19:28
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QUOTE (Jlc @ Fri, 22 May 2020 - 20:22) *
Nope - the signage on the road is the only thing that matters.

So why does the GPS system change to 40. Motorists use that for speed etc as well as directional help.

QUOTE (Jlc @ Fri, 22 May 2020 - 20:24) *
...or are you saying you were in the 40 limit?

Well thats the confusing thing because my GPS on the phone says its a 40 limit stretch of road. But the signage further back the road says 30.
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post Fri, 22 May 2020 - 19:55
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QUOTE (renegadefm @ Fri, 22 May 2020 - 20:28) *
Well thats the confusing thing because my GPS on the phone says its a 40 limit stretch of road. But the signage further back the road says 30.

There's no guarantees the GPS database is correct. As above, you cannot argue your GPS said 40, especially as you admit there's a 30 sign!

The limit is set by the signage at the time and not your GPS. (And before someone else gets technical it's actually the relevant traffic order, if required, but let's not muddy the waters)


By the magic of GSV time machine:
It was a 40 - here.
And is now a 30 - here.

Wait and see if you're caught first. The status of the traffic order can be checked but is unlikely to be wrong.

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post Fri, 22 May 2020 - 20:04
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QUOTE (renegadefm @ Fri, 22 May 2020 - 20:28) *
So why does the GPS system change to 40.

Have you considered asking the provider of your GPS system? The road signs provide the guidance as to the speed limit, as per the law. The law doesn’t recognise a GPS database.


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post Fri, 22 May 2020 - 20:21
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Fri, 22 May 2020 - 21:04) *
QUOTE (renegadefm @ Fri, 22 May 2020 - 20:28) *
So why does the GPS system change to 40.

Have you considered asking the provider of your GPS system? The road signs provide the guidance as to the speed limit, as per the law. The law doesn’t recognise a GPS database.

Thanks for that. I just find it odd, why do they invent these things for guidance for drivers, yet in a court of law they are not recognised. My partner who recently psssed her test hsd to buy a GPS system before she could take her practical test. So it gives new drivers a false sense of security surely if they use them for speed guidance.
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post Fri, 22 May 2020 - 20:24
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Because the liability rests on the driver to use their eyes.

If the database is wrong, ask the provider, it’s their fault, the database isn’t created by government.


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post Fri, 22 May 2020 - 20:43
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Fri, 22 May 2020 - 21:24) *
Because the liability rests on the driver to use their eyes.

If the database is wrong, ask the provider, it’s their fault, the database isn’t created by government.

So really these things shouldn't exist. Because why are new drivers encouraged to use these things if they give them a false sense of security?
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post Fri, 22 May 2020 - 20:47
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QUOTE (renegadefm @ Fri, 22 May 2020 - 21:43) *
So really these things shouldn't exist.


So something that can help you and is realiable ~99% of the time shouldn’t exist because it’s not 100% reliable?

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Because why are new drivers encouraged to use these things if they give them a false sense of security?

Are they? And are they told to rely on it accurately conveying the limit rather than looking out for the statutory road signs?

Or are you just ****** because you might have got caught and are looking for someone to blame?


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post Fri, 22 May 2020 - 21:09
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QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Fri, 22 May 2020 - 21:47) *
QUOTE (renegadefm @ Fri, 22 May 2020 - 21:43) *
So really these things shouldn't exist.


So something that can help you and is realiable ~99% of the time shouldn’t exist because it’s not 100% reliable?

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Because why are new drivers encouraged to use these things if they give them a false sense of security?

Are they? And are they told to rely on it accurately conveying the limit rather than looking out for the statutory road signs?

Or are you just ****** because you might have got caught and are looking for someone to blame?

No no sorry that's not what I meant. I was just saying my partner couldn't pass her test without a sat nav, but if we cant rely on these systems when it comes to soeed guidance, why are new drivers encouraged to use them? It kinds lures them into trouble. Rather than just using old fashioned highway code.
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post Fri, 22 May 2020 - 21:17
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QUOTE (renegadefm @ Fri, 22 May 2020 - 21:09) *
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Fri, 22 May 2020 - 21:47) *
QUOTE (renegadefm @ Fri, 22 May 2020 - 21:43) *
So really these things shouldn't exist.


So something that can help you and is realiable ~99% of the time shouldn’t exist because it’s not 100% reliable?

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Because why are new drivers encouraged to use these things if they give them a false sense of security?

Are they? And are they told to rely on it accurately conveying the limit rather than looking out for the statutory road signs?

Or are you just ****** because you might have got caught and are looking for someone to blame?

No no sorry that's not what I meant. I was just saying my partner couldn't pass her test without a sat nav, but if we cant rely on these systems when it comes to soeed guidance, why are new drivers encouraged to use them? It kinds lures them into trouble. Rather than just using old fashioned highway code.

If the sat nav/GPS told you to turn left off a cliff would you?

Pull the other one, you’ve been caught and the only one to blame is yourself.
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post Fri, 22 May 2020 - 21:21
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QUOTE (172Ben @ Fri, 22 May 2020 - 22:17) *
QUOTE (renegadefm @ Fri, 22 May 2020 - 21:09) *
QUOTE (southpaw82 @ Fri, 22 May 2020 - 21:47) *
QUOTE (renegadefm @ Fri, 22 May 2020 - 21:43) *
So really these things shouldn't exist.

Well I wasent expecting that response.

So something that can help you and is realiable ~99% of the time shouldn’t exist because it’s not 100% reliable?

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Because why are new drivers encouraged to use these things if they give them a false sense of security?

Are they? And are they told to rely on it accurately conveying the limit rather than looking out for the statutory road signs?

Or are you just ****** because you might have got caught and are looking for someone to blame?

No no sorry that's not what I meant. I was just saying my partner couldn't pass her test without a sat nav, but if we cant rely on these systems when it comes to soeed guidance, why are new drivers encouraged to use them? It kinds lures them into trouble. Rather than just using old fashioned highway code.

If the sat nav/GPS told you to turn left off a cliff would you?

Pull the other one, you’ve been caught and the only one to blame is yourself.

Well I wasent expecting that responce. I was merely saying why are new drivers encouraged to include these devices to help their driving experience, yet a court of law doesnt recognize it. Why did they invent it?
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post Fri, 22 May 2020 - 21:29
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The primary purpose of a GPS is navigation.

There will be a disclaimer that any information given is not guaranteed to be 100% accurate such as the limits.

Limits change and the authorities are not obliged to tell the sat nav companies. (Or more precisely the mapping company)

The user also has to update their maps regularly - there will always be a lag.

Only the mark 1 eyeball on the road signage should be complied with.


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post Fri, 22 May 2020 - 21:32
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QUOTE (renegadefm @ Fri, 22 May 2020 - 22:21) *
Why did they invent it?

For the military. If new drivers don’t understand that relying on a sat nav rather than the road signs is a bad idea they probably need to take their test again.


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post Fri, 22 May 2020 - 21:34
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QUOTE (Jlc @ Fri, 22 May 2020 - 22:29) *
The primary purpose of a GPS is navigation.

There will be a disclaimer that any information given is not guaranteed to be 100% accurate such as the limits.

Limits change and the authorities are not obliged to tell the sat nav companies. (Or more precisely the mapping company)

The user also has to update their maps regularly - there will always be a lag.

Only the mark 1 eyeball on the road signage should be complied with.

Yeah but new drivers don't know that who have had to include these devices into their driving experience when they passed their test. Thats my point.
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post Fri, 22 May 2020 - 21:35
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OP, a satnav is used on the driving test to give directions, not to indicate speed limits. Your partner will know that.
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