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cabbyman
post Sat, 12 Sep 2020 - 12:28
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Hampshire CC have contracted out on street parking enforcement which goes live in my area within the next week or so. I have received the following message from a colleague. Before I go back and tell him that individual circumstances will apply at the time and each case should be separately appealed, is there any other information, or contrary opinion, that I should put top him?

Hi dude I need to dig into your knowledge can you remember which act give us the right to drop off and pick up where the customer wants as long as it’s safe to do so reason is the new traffic maid are going to start hitting drivers with tickets if they are dropping off around Mcdonalds and museum and picking up we know we can’t wait.any ideas again sorry to disturb

Many thanks for your help, as always.


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post Sat, 12 Sep 2020 - 12:55
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It depends on what law says you can't stop "around Mcdonalds and museum", what are the restrictions, double yellow lines? zig-zags? clearway?

Better still, give us a link to the exact location on google street view and we'll give you chapter and verse of what you need to know.


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post Sat, 12 Sep 2020 - 13:31
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Street view doesn't quite get there:

https://goo.gl/maps/ABmT6sVAZwq7kcGj6


Plan view showing bays with 'Goods Vehicles Only' and, opposite, 'Disabled Coach Bay.'

https://goo.gl/maps/j4EEa7dkz6XhbUQJ8


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post Sat, 12 Sep 2020 - 19:09
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You can stop for boarding or alighting on a single yellow, even if there's a loading restriction. As for the bay, you'd need to check the Traffic Regulation Order for those particular bays, but frankly it's easier to just use the SYL.


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post Sat, 12 Sep 2020 - 20:33
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Many thanks for your interest, cp8759.

This has now developed and they are talking about 'demanding' action from the borough to stop the CEOs enforcing against taxis and a slow driving protest to gridlock the town. Wrong enforcement authority and far too beligerent, IMHO.

I have suggested that they can challenge tickets with help from Pepipoo, otherwise, I'll just leave them to get on with it!!!! I can retire in December, if I wish!


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post Sat, 12 Sep 2020 - 21:17
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It seems a bit contrary to do all that, and potentially commit criminal offences and civil contraventions for something that might -but hasn’t - happened. Proportionality and all that!


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post Sat, 12 Sep 2020 - 21:34
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Just challenge all the PCNs, we'll be able to help. After they've lost a few, you can start hitting them with applications for costs, they'll soon stop once they've had to pay out a couple of times. But frankly I doubt it would come to that.


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post Thu, 17 Sep 2020 - 08:33
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Do councils actually do anything any more? They seem to contract out everything, and employ more staff to manage the contracts. Hampshire highways don't get repaired regularly since they contact that out, and refuse collection is becoming a joke. Quite a few lay-byes are replacing the public tips since they have increased restrictions on tip use. I've stopped going into town centres because of rapacious parking operators. Most of the shops are empty now, and no doubt this move will increase this. There is a free food bank at Petersfield station on Saturdays, and that s really sad for a supposedly prosperous market town. The next stage will be converting the shops into doss houses and soup kitchens.
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post Thu, 17 Sep 2020 - 10:52
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Thanks all. It's gone a little quiet. I think the more belligerent members of the trade have realised that they need to wind their necks in. I will encourage any recipients of tickets to come along here, as usual.

Some good points about Hants CC overall, Rusty. Coming down to Borough level, we are about to lose our garden waste collection, unless we pay for it. More excuses for self-opening tips to appear in laybys and country lanes!


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post Thu, 17 Sep 2020 - 11:01
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The saddest thing about Hampshire that I am noticing, is the loss of trees and gardens. It seems that the first thing anybody does as soon as they buy a house of piece of land is to cut down all the trees.

I used to compst all my garden waste until I went mobile, but people don't seem to want gardens any more. Although I understand that there is a bit of a revival in home growing vegetables. That will be good to improve both the economy, and the nation's health. * and the environment )
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post Fri, 18 Sep 2020 - 06:02
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QUOTE (cabbyman @ Thu, 17 Sep 2020 - 11:52) *
Some good points about Hants CC overall, Rusty. Coming down to Borough level, we are about to lose our garden waste collection, unless we pay for it. More excuses for self-opening tips to appear in laybys and country lanes!

Didn't realise it was ever free. Just a mile or so over the county boundary here in Surrey they certainly charge. Thought of signing up during lockdown simply to get rid of the mountain of non-compostable garden waste I had accumulating, only to find they weren't taking any new subscriptions.
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post Fri, 18 Sep 2020 - 08:16
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A few years ago East Hants used to have a "green bin" for garden waste. It was free to tip, and the contents were sent off to be converted into "soil improver", a form of cheap compost, and this was sold the customers at the tip. I thought this was a good idea, but I don't believe that they do this any more.
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QUOTE (Rusty Horn @ Fri, 18 Sep 2020 - 09:16) *
A few years ago East Hants used to have a "green bin" for garden waste. It was free to tip, and the contents were sent off to be converted into "soil improver", a form of cheap compost, and this was sold the customers at the tip. I thought this was a good idea, but I don't believe that they do this any more.


They do that here in Mid-Sussex, but charge a hefty £70 or so per annum for a "green" bin.
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post Mon, 21 Sep 2020 - 08:04
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My daughter gets charged for a green bin (Nuneaton and Bedworth DC, North Warwickshire), we don't in Warwick District.

Waste is a district council responsibility, not County (though they may coordinate).


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post Mon, 21 Sep 2020 - 09:35
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QUOTE (Steve_999 @ Sat, 19 Sep 2020 - 14:00) *
QUOTE (Rusty Horn @ Fri, 18 Sep 2020 - 09:16) *
A few years ago East Hants used to have a "green bin" for garden waste. It was free to tip, and the contents were sent off to be converted into "soil improver", a form of cheap compost, and this was sold the customers at the tip. I thought this was a good idea, but I don't believe that they do this any more.


They do that here in Mid-Sussex, but charge a hefty £70 or so per annum for a "green" bin.



Same in Brighton and the regularly don't turn up to collect it! Plus for added confusion the 'green' bin is brown, the rubbish bin is green and the recycling is black tongue.gif
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post Mon, 21 Sep 2020 - 16:40
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Mon, 21 Sep 2020 - 09:04) *
Waste is a district council responsibility, not County (though they may coordinate).

If only it were that simple. Districts/Boroughs handle doorstep collections, i.e. the bin-men and dustcarts, to use the old non-PC parlance.
County Councils operate the local tips, or "recycling centres" as they are called now.
And, of course, if you are in a unitary authority, that one council does the lot.
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QUOTE (The Slithy Tove @ Mon, 21 Sep 2020 - 17:40) *
QUOTE (The Rookie @ Mon, 21 Sep 2020 - 09:04) *
Waste is a district council responsibility, not County (though they may coordinate).

If only it were that simple. Districts/Boroughs handle doorstep collections, i.e. the bin-men and dustcarts, to use the old non-PC parlance.
County Councils operate the local tips, or "recycling centres" as they are called now.
And, of course, if you are in a unitary authority, that one council does the lot.

And in other areas (like mine) the unitary authority contracts out its collections, but is a member of a consortium of authorities which organises the recycling centres and contracts out the consolidated recycling and disposal operations. The days are long gone when you could just say "your local council does xxxx".

Incidentally if you get the chance and enjoy a really nerdy experience, I can recommend a guided tour of your local Materials Recycling Facility (MRF) - quite eye-opening to see how they deal with your "rubbish"! laugh.gif


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