[NIP Wizard] Van drivers beware |
[NIP Wizard] Van drivers beware |
Wed, 23 Apr 2008 - 17:11
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 2 Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Member No.: 18,954 |
NIP Details and Circumstances
What is the name of the Constabulary? - Date of the offence: - April 2008 Date of the NIP: - 1 days after the offence Date you received the NIP: - 6 days after the offence Location of offence (exact location as it appears on the NIP: important): - A90 Dundee to Aberdeen road at the Aquahiries juntion Was the NIP addressed to you? - Yes Was the NIP sent by first class post, second class or recorded delivery? - First If your are not the Registered Keeper, what is your relationship to the vehicle? - Works Van How many current points do you have? - 3 Provide a description of events (if you know what happened) telling us as much about the incident as possible - some things that may seem trivial to you may be important, so don't leave anything out. Please do not post personal details for obvious reasons - Caught by mobile camera at 71 mph.Have been told 60 for a van on this road. Pictures show van at the brow of a hill. NIP Wizard Responses These were the responses used by the Wizard to arrive at its recommendation: Have you received a NIP? - Yes Are you the Registered Keeper of the vehicle concerned (is your name and address on the V5/V5C)? - No Is the NIP addressed to you personally? - Yes Although you are not the Registered Keeper, were you the keeper of the vehicle concerned (the person normally responsible for it) at the time of the alleged offence? - Yes Were you driving? - Yes Which country did the alleged offence take place in? - Scotland NIP Wizard Recommendation Based on these responses the Wizard suggested that this course of action should be considered:
Generated by the PePiPoo NIP Wizard v3.3.2: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:11:52 +0100 |
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Wed, 23 Apr 2008 - 17:21
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13,506 Joined: 9 Jan 2008 From: manchester Member No.: 16,521 |
please clarify was the first NIP sent to you or your employer, its just that 6 days seems promp to get one to them and then to you
can you cover reg no and post picie This post has been edited by jobo: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 - 17:22 -------------------- jobo
anyone but Murray, Wish granted for another year, |
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Wed, 23 Apr 2008 - 17:27
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Member Group: Members Posts: 101 Joined: 4 Feb 2008 From: Strathclyde Member No.: 17,095 |
What make of van was it ideally if you know the GVW it may help.
Also, as it is a works van the NIP will be addressed to the work, they need to name you as the driver, ideally as close to the 28 day mark as possible, depends on how accomodating your work is. They are not allowed to hand you the NIP and you return it. They must state you as the driver and a new NIP will then be issued. |
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Wed, 23 Apr 2008 - 17:52
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New Member Group: Members Posts: 2 Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Member No.: 18,954 |
The first nip was sent to my employer and the second to me.
I have only just found out that as my van is over 2000 Kg unladen weight that it falls into the category for reduced speed limits.What annoys me is that this does not seem to be widley publicised by the police and media etc. I did not know about it until now,in fact even my empoloyer did not know that this was the case. |
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Wed, 23 Apr 2008 - 17:58
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Member Group: Members Posts: 2,784 Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Member No.: 18,956 |
I am holding my breath in the same situation, I went past a camera van while I was overtaking a lorry at about 70mph on the A66 on monday. I was in a works Van, it's a Citroen Dispatch, I didn't realise it was restricted to 60 on a dual carriageway and neither did my employer. It's Gross weight is 2200kg.
I just hope the operator was more interested in the Rep Mobiles coming down the hill at a faster pace than I was. This post has been edited by captain swoop: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 - 18:00 |
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Wed, 23 Apr 2008 - 18:26
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Member Group: Members Posts: 5,002 Joined: 17 Mar 2008 From: Worcestershire Member No.: 18,111 |
As a Transit driver I am well aware of the speed limits "A" class roads, 50mph (cars 60, lorries 40), dual carriageway, 60 mph (cars 70, lorries 50) & M ways 70, (cars also 70, lorries 60). AFAIK certain unmanned cameras can detect the size of vehicle & of course, operators know the rules. Car derived vans, ie, Ford Escort, Vauxhall Astra are subject to the same rules as cars.
-------------------- Now driving a Mercedes Sprinter, the Transit died of too much work.
Results for last 5 years:- 12 PPC tickets received, 0 paid 2 Council tickets received, 0 paid (both canceled) 2 Nip's in 40 years 1 paid (damn!) 1 SAC, duly educated! |
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Wed, 23 Apr 2008 - 18:31
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Member Group: Members Posts: 2,784 Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Member No.: 18,956 |
The Dispatch vans we use are barely bigger than a car, I would prob have guessed that a Transit size van was a classified differently.
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Wed, 23 Apr 2008 - 18:34
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Member Group: Members Posts: 13,506 Joined: 9 Jan 2008 From: manchester Member No.: 16,521 |
its got nothing to do with the weight class of the vehicle or the size
its does not apply to vans based on cars so astra car astra van no speed restriction -------------------- jobo
anyone but Murray, Wish granted for another year, |
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Wed, 23 Apr 2008 - 18:48
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Member Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 21 Dec 2004 From: ------------- Member No.: 2,073 |
A goods vehicle is defined as one constructed or adapted for use for the carriage of goods or burden of any description.
Goods vehicles, other than car derived vans, are subject to special speed limits - see Part 1 of Schedule 6, RTRA 1984 Car derived vans are treated separately. A CDV is a goods vehicle which is a derivative of a passenger vehicle AND has a maximum laden weight of less than 2000kg. This class of vehicle is not subject to any special speed limits. |
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Wed, 23 Apr 2008 - 19:40
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Member Group: Members Posts: 27 Joined: 13 Apr 2008 Member No.: 18,784 |
this is happening a lot recently,so what is the limit for a normal connect on a national speed limit road? 60mph? surely its not bloody 50!
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Wed, 23 Apr 2008 - 19:43
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Member Group: Members Posts: 2,784 Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Member No.: 18,956 |
It would seem so, the dispatch is based on a car but has a gross weight of 2200kg so I guess I will have to stick to 50. I might ask if I can swap it for one of the little vans, not as comfortable but I will get places a lot quicker.
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Wed, 23 Apr 2008 - 20:33
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Member Group: Members Posts: 5,002 Joined: 17 Mar 2008 From: Worcestershire Member No.: 18,111 |
this is happening a lot recently,so what is the limit for a normal connect on a national speed limit road? 60mph? surely its not bloody 50! A Ford Transit Connect, is not built from a car "platform" & therefore as such, for the discussion on speed limits, it is classed as a commercial vehicle & is subject to the special limits. So, sorry, you are limited to 50 on single carraigeways, 60 on duals & 70 on M ways, unless of course a lower limit is in force. This post has been edited by Transit man: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 - 20:35 -------------------- Now driving a Mercedes Sprinter, the Transit died of too much work.
Results for last 5 years:- 12 PPC tickets received, 0 paid 2 Council tickets received, 0 paid (both canceled) 2 Nip's in 40 years 1 paid (damn!) 1 SAC, duly educated! |
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Wed, 23 Apr 2008 - 20:38
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Member Group: Members Posts: 27 Joined: 13 Apr 2008 Member No.: 18,784 |
thanks for clearing that up mate! god sake! its only a small van with better brakes than my car, abs, ebd, abc etc.....
i get people overtaking me in 30's so what are people gonna be like when im doing 50 on an empty open road |
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Wed, 23 Apr 2008 - 20:40
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Member Group: Members Posts: 5,002 Joined: 17 Mar 2008 From: Worcestershire Member No.: 18,111 |
It would seem so, the dispatch is based on a car but has a gross weight of 2200kg so I guess I will have to stick to 50. I might ask if I can swap it for one of the little vans, not as comfortable but I will get places a lot quicker. Do you mean a Citreon Dispatch? If so is it based on a car? I know they are often converted to 7/8 seater taxis but I didn't think they had a car ancestry. But I don't get out much so I could be wrong -------------------- Now driving a Mercedes Sprinter, the Transit died of too much work.
Results for last 5 years:- 12 PPC tickets received, 0 paid 2 Council tickets received, 0 paid (both canceled) 2 Nip's in 40 years 1 paid (damn!) 1 SAC, duly educated! |
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Wed, 23 Apr 2008 - 20:44
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Member Group: Members Posts: 5,002 Joined: 17 Mar 2008 From: Worcestershire Member No.: 18,111 |
thanks for clearing that up mate! god sake! its only a small van with better brakes than my car, abs, ebd, abc etc..... i get people overtaking me in 30's so what are people gonna be like when im doing 50 on an empty open road Do as I do, arm on open window, dog hanging out of passenger window & copy of the Star on dash, then wave them by before a bend ,. ONLY JOKING. Seriously, many vehicles have a sign written on the back such as :- This vehicle is limited, by law, to 50mph on single carraigeway roads, sorry for any delay!. -------------------- Now driving a Mercedes Sprinter, the Transit died of too much work.
Results for last 5 years:- 12 PPC tickets received, 0 paid 2 Council tickets received, 0 paid (both canceled) 2 Nip's in 40 years 1 paid (damn!) 1 SAC, duly educated! |
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Wed, 23 Apr 2008 - 20:48
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Member Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 21 Dec 2004 From: ------------- Member No.: 2,073 |
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Wed, 23 Apr 2008 - 20:50
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Member Group: Members Posts: 27 Joined: 13 Apr 2008 Member No.: 18,784 |
really then unless its a corsavan, astravan, escortvan or fiestavan then its 50 on single, 60 on dual and 70 on mways!
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Wed, 23 Apr 2008 - 21:34
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Member Group: Members Posts: 101 Joined: 4 Feb 2008 From: Strathclyde Member No.: 17,095 |
I get them all the time.... Guy jumps out of a Berlingo into a Dispatch and thinks the same rules apply.... Have tried talks, stickers on windscreens, articles on our intranet and even in company newspaper... showing photo's of scammers and our vans..
Funny thing is traffic don't bother at all, as long as the van is behaving and not close to the vehicle in front they let it go, only the scammers are seem to be issuing tickets.. Have now gone down the route of limiting Transit's to 70mph to lessen the chances of being caught... |
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Wed, 23 Apr 2008 - 21:56
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Member Group: Members Posts: 27 Joined: 13 Apr 2008 Member No.: 18,784 |
well technically the same rules do apply, berlingo isnt car derived! so its 50 on a single carriageway
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Wed, 23 Apr 2008 - 22:12
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Member Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 21 Dec 2004 From: ------------- Member No.: 2,073 |
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