PCN Contravention Code 25 in Bromley |
PCN Contravention Code 25 in Bromley |
Sat, 17 Oct 2020 - 16:51
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Member Group: Members Posts: 19 Joined: 11 Sep 2020 Member No.: 109,709 |
Hi
Would really appreciate your help/advice on a PCN Code 25 I received in Bromley High Street in South London. I parked in a bay which was half a parking bay and half a loading bay. There were two signs in the whole bay but I only saw the parking one and there was clearly a ticket machine on the bay so one would assume you needed a ticket to park which I purchased. I have proof of my ticket on an email which I can send the council along with my appeal if you think it's worth appealing?!? Two signs in one bay is very misleading and it wasn't clear to me that half if it was a loading bay. I have attached pics and GSV below. https://www.google.com/maps/place/British+H...#33;4d0.0162518 My pics: https://ibb.co/6rqTH5F (PCN) https://ibb.co/gR8GNZP https://ibb.co/swJPyqG https://ibb.co/5jx94dx https://ibb.co/9p7nzjC (parking sign) https://ibb.co/m6dDPkx https://ibb.co/M6R5VxX https://ibb.co/nfkmcWc https://ibb.co/PhxBCvr https://ibb.co/x1Qwtbr https://ibb.co/vVNhLs4 https://ibb.co/L0GqD5X https://ibb.co/7yM8nnm https://ibb.co/H7tqqZF (loading bay sign) Council's pics https://ibb.co/g4zKZ5v https://ibb.co/GFwjBy6 https://ibb.co/MyH7Jz7 https://ibb.co/c3fDBL1 Also I found this on a .gov website where it states a 5 minute observation period is to be applied but the CEO was there from 13.01 until 13.05 which is 4 minutes. https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/furthe...vention-code-25 I have until the end of the day tomorrow to pay the reduced amount of the fine. If I appeal and it gets rejected can I still pay the reduced amount if I get by appeal in by end of play tomorrow? Please let me know if you need anymore info. Many thanks for your help in advance. Best wishes. |
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Sat, 17 Oct 2020 - 17:51
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Member Group: Members Posts: 23,582 Joined: 12 Feb 2013 From: London Member No.: 59,924 |
Looks like you missed the demarcation between bays? Both bays look properly signed.
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4058329,0.0...6384!8i8192 This post has been edited by stamfordman: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 - 17:52 |
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Sat, 17 Oct 2020 - 19:31
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
Also I found this on a .gov website where it states a 5 minute observation period is to be applied but the CEO was there from 13.01 until 13.05 which is 4 minutes. https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/furthe...vention-code-25 Bromley is not in Northern Ireland though. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Sat, 17 Oct 2020 - 19:38
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Looks like you missed the demarcation between bays? Both bays look properly signed. https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4058329,0.0...6384!8i8192 Yes completely missed it as I parked in front of the loading bay sign and went to buy my ticket seeing as the ticket machine was right in front of me as was the parking sign. So should I just pay it? And do you know if I appeal within the 14 days 50% reduction whether this will still apply it my appeal gets declined? Thanks |
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Sat, 17 Oct 2020 - 19:41
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Member Group: Members Posts: 38,006 Joined: 3 Dec 2010 Member No.: 42,618 |
And do you know if I appeal within the 14 days 50% reduction whether this will still apply it my appeal gets declined? Post the back of the PCN, it normally says something about the discount being re-offered. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Sat, 17 Oct 2020 - 19:45
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Member Group: Members Posts: 19 Joined: 11 Sep 2020 Member No.: 109,709 |
Also I found this on a .gov website where it states a 5 minute observation period is to be applied but the CEO was there from 13.01 until 13.05 which is 4 minutes. https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/furthe...vention-code-25 Bromley is not in Northern Ireland though. Yes I do realise that thank you. Is in the UK. Are the rules not the same? Only reference I could find to code 25. And do you know if I appeal within the 14 days 50% reduction whether this will still apply it my appeal gets declined? Post the back of the PCN, it normally says something about the discount being re-offered. Sorry, just read it now and it does! Great thanks! |
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Sat, 17 Oct 2020 - 19:48
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Yes I do realise that thank you. Is in the UK. Are the rules not the same? Only reference I could find to code 25. There are no "rules" on observation times, and the website you found is that of the Northern Ireland executive, so it's irrelevant I'm afraid. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Sat, 17 Oct 2020 - 19:59
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Looks like you missed the demarcation between bays? Both bays look properly signed. https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4058329,0.0...6384!8i8192 Yes completely missed it as I parked in front of the loading bay sign and went to buy my ticket seeing as the ticket machine was right in front of me as was the parking sign. So should I just pay it? And do you know if I appeal within the 14 days 50% reduction whether this will still apply it my appeal gets declined? Thanks It's so unfair and misleading that they have 2 different signs for 1 bay, 2 parts (half) of which are parking and 1 (the other half) for loading and especially on a Sunday when a parking ticket machine is in full view and right in front of me! I paid for 1 hour of parking just going to the apple store to get my young son's iPad repaired so he can do his homework while I am working on my laptop. The council must make so much money from misleading parking signs!! Grr makes me so angry. Thanks Yes I do realise that thank you. Is in the UK. Are the rules not the same? Only reference I could find to code 25. There are no "rules" on observation times, and the website you found is that of the Northern Ireland executive, so it's irrelevant I'm afraid. Thanks! They're buggers!! |
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Sat, 17 Oct 2020 - 21:02
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Member Group: Members Posts: 35,055 Joined: 2 Aug 2008 From: Woking Member No.: 21,551 |
OP, day 14 is TODAY, 17th, so whether you pay the discount or make reps you have 127 minutes.
It's so unfair and misleading that they have 2 different signs for 1 bay Not at all. The signs are regular and make most efficient use of the carriageway. I know it's difficult to accept responsibility and easier to export the blame to others. But this would be wrong and you would not learn from the experience, thus potentially placing you in jeopardy in the future. In a parking place the sequence is: lines then signs. If you have time: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/contents/made Schedules 3,4,5,6,7 and 9. |
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Sat, 17 Oct 2020 - 21:34
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OP, day 14 is TODAY, 17th, so whether you pay the discount or make reps you have 127 minutes. It's so unfair and misleading that they have 2 different signs for 1 bay Not at all. The signs are regular and make most efficient use of the carriageway. I know it's difficult to accept responsibility and easier to export the blame to others. But this would be wrong and you would not learn from the experience, thus potentially placing you in jeopardy in the future. In a parking place the sequence is: lines then signs. If you have time: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/contents/made Schedules 3,4,5,6,7 and 9. Thanks for your reply. Surely if I got the PCN a week ago Sunday ie 4th Oct, 14 days would be tomorrow? Re your comment "I know it's difficult to accept responsibility and easier to export the blame to others. But this would be wrong and you would not learn from the experience, thus potentially placing you in jeopardy in the future." I'm not exporting the blame to others and there's no need to sound so condescending, I'm saying the signs are misleading when in clear sight is a parking ticket machine!! OP, day 14 is TODAY, 17th, so whether you pay the discount or make reps you have 127 minutes. It's so unfair and misleading that they have 2 different signs for 1 bay Not at all. The signs are regular and make most efficient use of the carriageway. I know it's difficult to accept responsibility and easier to export the blame to others. But this would be wrong and you would not learn from the experience, thus potentially placing you in jeopardy in the future. In a parking place the sequence is: lines then signs. If you have time: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/362/contents/made Schedules 3,4,5,6,7 and 9. Thanks for your reply. Surely if I got the PCN a week ago Sunday ie 4th Oct, 14 days would be tomorrow? Re your comment "I know it's difficult to accept responsibility and easier to export the blame to others. But this would be wrong and you would not learn from the experience, thus potentially placing you in jeopardy in the future." I'm not exporting the blame to others and there's no need to sound so condescending, I'm saying the signs are misleading when in clear sight is a parking ticket machine!! and a parking sign! |
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Sat, 17 Oct 2020 - 23:22
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Looks like you missed the demarcation between bays? Both bays look properly signed. https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4058329,0.0...6384!8i8192 Yes completely missed it as I parked in front of the loading bay sign and went to buy my ticket seeing as the ticket machine was right in front of me as was the parking sign. So should I just pay it? And do you know if I appeal within the 14 days 50% reduction whether this will still apply it my appeal gets declined? Thanks PS it's one bay, not two. Theres enough parking for 4 vehicles. half is for parking and half is for loading. It's not displayed well that half is for loading if you park in front of that part of the parking bay. This post has been edited by caruser64: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 - 23:24 |
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Sun, 18 Oct 2020 - 17:47
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PS it's one bay, not two. Theres enough parking for 4 vehicles. half is for parking and half is for loading. It's not displayed well that half is for loading if you park in front of that part of the parking bay. The law says that this double line marking https://www.google.com/maps/@51.4058329,0.0...6384!8i8192 means there's two bays and that puts you on notice to look for another sign. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Sun, 18 Oct 2020 - 17:55
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Member Group: Members Posts: 26,655 Joined: 6 Nov 2014 Member No.: 74,048 |
QUOTE Surely if I got the PCN a week ago Sunday ie 4th Oct, 14 days would be tomorrow? No you must count the 4th as day one the regulations state beginning with the date of service -------------------- All advice is given freely. It is given without guarantee and responsibility for its use rests with the user
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