s172 under lockdown |
Helping the motorist get justice 
Helping the motorist get justice
s172 under lockdown |
 Mon, 23 Mar 2020 - 21:32
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We are all under government orders to:
Stay at home Only go outside for food, health reasons or essential work Posting a reply to a s172 request was not mentioned and annoyingly, the SI is not online yet. So, do you ignore the letter? Or walk to the post box and in so doing risk committing some other offence? -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Mon, 23 Mar 2020 - 21:32
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Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 11:49
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I went to Morrisons yesterday and (apart from empty shelves and the rationing of some items) you can buy whatever they sell, including stamps.
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Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 12:17
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 11:15)  On the other hand, some people might consider "not going insane" to be a "necessity". NHS advice. -------------------- Regards,
Fredd __________________________________________________________________________
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Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 14:20
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 11:15) Leaving the house *at all* might not be a strict necessity, if you have food for 2/3 weeks and can get an online good delivery after that. Good luck with that, it was already a two-week delay for online delivery before the "lockdown" was even announced around here! |
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Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 15:08
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Tesco were we are is up to a month now, i'm pretty sure some people are pre-booking, so having 3-4 deliveries scheduled in that time.
-------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
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Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 17:51
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My wife went to our local Tesco superstore this morning at 0900. No queues, everyone distancing themselves and plenty on the shelves.
Deliveries are impossible so we had to go ourselves. We now have enough for a week with no hassle at all. We live at the eastern end of the M20. We went for a walk and everyone was careful about distancing - no problems at all. Mind you the good weather does help too, makes you feel better about things. Some sense returning do you think ? |
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Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 20:54
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Member Group: Members Posts: 56,260 Joined: 9 Sep 2003 From: Warwickshire Member No.: 317 |
Sense returning?
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/sheph...n-a4396806.html -------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
S172's Rookies 1-0 Kent Council PCN's Rookies 1-0 Warwick Rookies 1-0 Birmingham PPC PCN's Rookies 10-0 PPC's |
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Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 22:13
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QUOTE (Fredd @ Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 12:17) QUOTE (cp8759 @ Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 11:15) On the other hand, some people might consider "not going insane" to be a "necessity". NHS advice. I'd seen that already and I am yet to fathom how going for a drive has anything to do with that. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 22:48
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QUOTE (Lodesman @ Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 17:51) My wife went to our local Tesco superstore this morning at 0900. No queues, everyone distancing themselves and plenty on the shelves. Deliveries are impossible so we had to go ourselves. We now have enough for a week with no hassle at all. We live at the eastern end of the M20. We went for a walk and everyone was careful about distancing - no problems at all. Mind you the good weather does help too, makes you feel better about things. Some sense returning do you think ? Supermarkets are full because people ran out of things to buy. There is nothing wrong with getting fresh air, in fact it is encouraged. I just think it is people accepting that this will be over soon and to take it easy, I guess almost like a holiday. -------------------- Police Speeding Fines - Police 1 - speedfighter23 0
TFL traffic contraventions 0 - speedfighter23 2 Kensington and Chelsea 0 parking contraventions - speedfighter23 1 Brighton and Hove parking 0 - speedfighter23 1 Private PCN - Private Parking Solutions Limited 0 - speedfighter23 1 Tyre Puncture Pothole Claims: 0 Buckinghamshire Council - speedfighter23 1 0 TFL - speedfighter23 1 Result Pending: 1 Islington Council tyre puncture claim |
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Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 23:47
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QUOTE (speedfighter23 @ Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 22:48) I just think it is people accepting that this will be over soon and to take it easy, I guess almost like a holiday. I think you've just redefined "cretin". QUOTE (cp8759 @ Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 22:13) I'd seen that already and I am yet to fathom how going for a drive has anything to do with that. Obviously not. In common with many other people who can't seem to grasp the difference between "should I do this?" and "am I legally prohibited from doing this?". -------------------- Regards,
Fredd __________________________________________________________________________
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Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 06:33
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 12:15) QUOTE (Fredd @ Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 10:44) QUOTE (Mayhem007 @ Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 09:41) The use of the word 'aimlessly ' is such a self-centered opinion. I meant it in the sense that you had no destination or urgent need to do it. We're not in a place where "it makes me feel good" makes something a necessity. Leaving the house *at all* might not be a strict necessity, if you have food for 2/3 weeks and can get an online good delivery after that. On the other hand, some people might consider "not going insane" to be a "necessity". Good luck with online ordering & food delivery. Just out of interest I looked at all the major supermarket websites a couple of days ago. With some like Waitrose & Ocado you couldn't even register an account. With others like Tesco & Sainsbury there were no delivery slots within the next 3 weeks which was as far out as you could book a delivery. -------------------- British Parking Association Ltd Code of Practice(Appendix C contains Schedule 4 of POFA 2012 ) & can be found here http://www.britishparking.co.uk/Code-of-Pr...ance-monitoring
DfT Guidance on Section 56 and Schedule 4 of POFA 2012 https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/syste...ing-charges.pdf Damning OFT advice on levels of parking charges that was ignored by the BPA Ltd Reference Request Number: IAT/FOIA/135010 – 12 October 2012 |
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Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 10:52
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QUOTE (Fredd @ Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 23:47) [ Obviously not. In common with many other people who can't seem to grasp the difference between "should I do this?" and "am I legally prohibited from doing this?". I think your work on pepipoo has trained you well for the present situation. When this is all finished you need to get out more. -------------------- STAND UP FOR YOURSELF OR YOU WILL FALL FOR ANYTHING
Ultracrepadarion - A person who offers an opinion on a subject they know nothing about. |
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Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 11:10
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 20:54) Sense returning? https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/sheph...n-a4396806.html No hum - spoke too soon. |
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Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 11:29
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QUOTE (Mayhem007 @ Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 10:52) When this is all finished you need to get out more. Good to see that the message is finally getting through. 
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Fredd __________________________________________________________________________
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Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 11:36
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QUOTE (The Rookie @ Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 20:54) Sense returning? https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/sheph...n-a4396806.html Not to the person taking the video, to be sure. Instead of making me feel seasick by panning to and for, how about holding the bloody camera the right way round in the first place, so we can see everything in shot, rather than 90% grass and sky? Vertical videos should be banned. |
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Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 12:26
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You see something happening and grab a phone out of your pocket in a hurry, unlock, select the right screen, select camera, select video and start filming, no you don't have time to worry which way round it is do you?
-------------------- There is no such thing as a law abiding motorist, just those who have been scammed and those yet to be scammed!
S172's Rookies 1-0 Kent Council PCN's Rookies 1-0 Warwick Rookies 1-0 Birmingham PPC PCN's Rookies 10-0 PPC's |
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Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 13:57
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QUOTE (Fredd @ Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 23:47) QUOTE (speedfighter23 @ Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 22:48) I just think it is people accepting that this will be over soon and to take it easy, I guess almost like a holiday. I think you've just redefined "cretin". QUOTE (cp8759 @ Wed, 25 Mar 2020 - 22:13) I'd seen that already and I am yet to fathom how going for a drive has anything to do with that. Obviously not. In common with many other people who can't seem to grasp the difference between "should I do this?" and "am I legally prohibited from doing this?". If I get in my car and go for a drive round East Anglia's country lanes and then go back home, the risk of infection to me and to others is precisely zero. The risk is infinitely higher if I go for a run. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 14:43
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 13:57) If I get in my car and go for a drive round East Anglia's country lanes and then go back home, the risk of infection to me and to others is precisely zero. The risk is infinitely higher if I go for a run. QUOTE (Fredd @ Tue, 24 Mar 2020 - 10:32) So aimlessly driving around in your sealed box is fine, as long as that doesn't involve stopping to buy snacks/fuel/wander about/have a pee. I'd got the impression you were disagreeing with me, but apparently not. 
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Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 17:07
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QUOTE (cp8759 @ Mon, 23 Mar 2020 - 21:32) We are all under government orders to: Stay at home Only go outside for food, health reasons or essential work Posting a reply to a s172 request was not mentioned and annoyingly, the SI is not online yet. So, do you ignore the letter? Or walk to the post box and in so doing risk committing some other offence? According to the Regulations now posted quite properly in another thread (albeit inexplicably in the Flame Pit) by you, one of the specified (and non-exhaustive) lawful 'reasonable excuses' is to fulfil a legal obligation (Reg 6(2)(h)) -------------------- Andy
Some people think that I make them feel stupid. To be fair, they deserve most of the credit. |
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Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 17:33
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QUOTE (andy_foster @ Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 17:07) QUOTE (cp8759 @ Mon, 23 Mar 2020 - 21:32) We are all under government orders to: Stay at home Only go outside for food, health reasons or essential work Posting a reply to a s172 request was not mentioned and annoyingly, the SI is not online yet. So, do you ignore the letter? Or walk to the post box and in so doing risk committing some other offence? According to the Regulations now posted quite properly in another thread (albeit inexplicably in the Flame Pit) by you, one of the specified (and non-exhaustive) lawful 'reasonable excuses' is to fulfil a legal obligation (Reg 6(2)(h)) By all means feel free to ask Fredd to move that thread to government policy. Also feel free to ask him to close this thread, as the regulations now answer the question. -------------------- If you would like assistance with a penalty charge notice, please post a thread on https://www.ftla.uk/index.php
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Thu, 26 Mar 2020 - 17:42
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As this is the Flame Pit, I fully expect to be censured for posting a reply which is 'on topic' to the OP.
-------------------- Andy
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